I really like the idea for PAL and I use it all the time now, yes things will be much better after HF21

Might people already familiar to steemit interface and as according to you Pal is another clone if steemit and they think it does't need to change the interface and HF21 system

Another perfect sharing from you. Your experiance is very valuable for every steemit users. Thank you again

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Being palnet is basically a clone of steemit I don't see much point to it unless they got plans to improve further.

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I think one of the main benefits is the better distribution of the PAL tokens, not being as heavily weighted with the whales. Also, I think most people really like the staking rewards, you earn both PAL and Steem on posts. Several condensers are coming out doing this.

I am very glad with using PALnet since it has been launced. What I like most is that you get rewards both on Steemit and PALnet if you use palnet tag and the upvoters have staked PAL token. I didn't notice the disappearing comment problem.

Will you make a post about LEO Token too?

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Hi @crypto.piotr,
Thank you for this nice post. I quite like palnet but I believe it is a bit complicated for most of us to understand what and how Palnet works. I try to give some explanaitions but I'm not sure to be right about it ;-):

• Palnet works on steem blockchain and you can post from whatever platform that you wish (steempeak, steemit, ...) and it will be visible on palnet as long as you put the palnet tag.
• Why do comments disapear? In the past on dtbube some comments were not visible because they were written on another platform. So for example if people post a comment on palnet it may not be visible on steemit or vice versa. I'm not 100% sure about this one. For example I'm writing a comment here on steemit and I don't know whether it will be visible on palnet...
• Is it a steemit clone ?
  Palnet is actually a standardised product developed by @aggroed and his team on steem-engine called SCOT that allows you to run your own cryptocurrency on steem using a community website. So if we look at palnet, steemleo or other similar communities, they will come with a similar layout and concept.

Does palnet have a future?

I believe that Planet is a really nice and intersting project and I always keep in mind that I can use palcoin to upvote my posts through @minnowsupport. So there is a sink for which the coin can be used. Palnet has another big advantage. With other scot projects coming alive every day, planet has the advantage that it has already a big community that has staked palcoins. So if a user tries to get the maximum out of his post, he will use the tag where he has most staked coins. Since there is only space for 5 tags per posts, it might be difficult for new communities to take palnets place.

Best regards,

Achim

The way I look at all the platforms like Palnet is that they are merely baby steps into creating real communities on Steemit. I still see many fundamental flaws in the entire scotbot system that I like to see changed before investing with confidence. Right now basically everyone is it for the money seeing it as an opportunity to earn more without really caring about the community or the actual content (Same human issue Steemit now has). Having to use multiple tags screws up the entire purpose of them. You basically need another Steem account for each tribe as the upvotes are all coupled to each other and there is little to nothing that backs up any of the value of the tokens (aside from the upvotes that can be bough with them converting them to Steem). Not to say that everything is getting even more confusing than it already was and SMT's haven't even been introduced yet along with HF21

I can see it all working if communities were invite only and much smaller in scale while the tokens themselves are directly linked to the value of steem and can be converted back at any time. Off course this means and actual investment is needed to give the tokens value instead of just creating them out of thin air.

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I also have the disappearing comments issue. it looks like when you reply using steemit it just doesn't show on the tribe interface. Also editing images (actifit for example) shows on steemit while on Palnet it will keep showing the default actifit image.

So yeah, overall I remain rather skeptical.

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Greetings @ crypto.piotr

PALnet represents an alternative for more advanced Steemit users, who seek publications with better content and presentation quality.

With regard to invisible comments, this happens when the person making the comment is not active on the platform where it is not displayed.

Thank you for developing and maintaining these spaces for debate and brainstorming, with which knowledge is built and reinforced.

Hi @crypto.piotr
PAL or palnet is highly popular tag as on today and you can every other post with palnet tag. Reason find it is very simple because people want to earn PAL token using this tag.

I had taken part in the air drop and got over 300 tokens instantly. I even checked their web portal but I did not find it much useful. As you said before it's a copy of steemit website. All the options are similar except the web address. If I talk about myself then I even don't use steemit on daily basis weather use eSteem mobile and pc version, busy and Partiko sometimes.

I agree with you that palnet team has fantastic work in marketing but user transition from steemit to palnet.io will not be easy.

Thanks brother @crypto.piotr a nice post about the current news in Steem platform. Have a great day.

Thanks to you for telling us so beautiful air drop, I really like using Palnet and it's certainly a great effort to get more steam block chains or cryptocarcins in a much more profitable future, and that's exactly what we hope for something better in the future. From you

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Hey @crypto.piotr, nice post. Steem is being flooded with tokens. Tbh, I don't even no how many front ends have cropped up. My initial thought about palnet was confusing. However, things have started to settle in my head and here is what I think.

I think palnet is a decent experiment. For newbies on steemit, who worry about sp distribution disparity, palnet is a great way to gather tokens early on. My only concern is what if I build another palnet tomorrow, say karamnet. and then yognet. to what end do we build interfaces? anyway, hoping there is just palnet which is an exact clone of steemit, this is great to get new people on board steem and solve some of the problems of dissatisfied new steemians.

There are also a lot of other interfaces, like steemleo, sportstalk, etc, that are like subreddits. obviously tokens of these will generate value depending on how interesting a community is. and overall if more people can come to steemit thanks to these new communities, then i think the overall value of the blockchain goes up.

I think these are nice little experiments and we should wait for further clarity. I did not however know this concept of vanishing comments. should not be the case as palnet is backed by the same blockchain as steemit and immutability of records is written in stone.

I hope somebody can elaborate on the disappearing comments... that definitely seems to be an issue.

I do agree with most of the others that the distribution of tokens makes the content a little bit different. There's always good stuff on palnet and it seems to be a better representation of active content creators.

I agree with your thoughts.
I use Steempeak primarily. Why? The extra features such as their templates (unlimited, as far as I can see) and scheduling abilities make it a very good option for me.

I have been on palnet - as I am right now...
But besides the fact that you can't see any non-palnet posts/comments (which is really shortsighted, I think), my upvotes are worthless again - even after staking all the PAL tokens I have. If I have to choose between PAL and Steem, I'm going to stick with Steem for now.

Hello friend @crypto.piotr after reading your publication I'm very curious what you say about not appearing comments on the PALNET.io platform but I think and still have not checked something has to do with the registration on that platform or the claim of their pal, I repeat I have not checked, however I did some tests with my last publication and I noticed that in steemit I have 21 comments and in palnet only reflect 12 the only difference I could notice is that apparently palnet only counts the comments that have votes. including the same publication.

That was the only thing I could see differently.

I hope that my observation will serve as something for other friends who can ask themselves that question...

Greetings my good friend I hope you are very well

Please stop spamming my wallet with links to your opinion. I won't downvote you today. If you choose to ignore my suggestion and would prefer to continue sending wallet spam, your new fee is 10SBD per memo. Thanks!

I think that PAL net will be around for a long time.

I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing, however PALnet allows for a new start for people that have been slammed and banged about in steemit and are constantly having their comments greyed out by individuals or groups. Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed. Many will see this as censorship, but there are a few common sense rules that are and will be enforced on PALnet. No action taken on the PALnet side will effect how an individuals post are viewed on steemit or other front ends.

As for the 50/50 split, that is only on your PAL tokens. They are not taking 50% of your steem token rewards from your steemit post or other front end post. You are actually getting two payouts on PALnet post. Steem and PAL

It is my understanding that if you vote on a post that does not have #palnet as a tag then you are not spending any of your PALnet Vote Power on that post. So you get no curation reward. If a non palnet member uses the #palnet tag, I am not sure what would happen, I would like to think that the non-used 50% would go to the token burn pile, but like you I am not sure on that.

The nice thing about the scot-tribes/communities, is you do not need to use their front end. You can stay on steemit and see all the comments, vote on a post and if #palnet is in the tag of that post you will be automatically curating with your PALnet vote.

If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.

A separate yet shared platform experience. Think back to the very early days of the internet prior to netscape and mozilla web browsers, when there was AOL, and CompuServe, If you wanted to see something on AOL you had to be a member, if you wanted to see something on CompuServe you had to be a member of their system, web browsers changed all that. One day there will be a block browser that will change the separation but shared concept.

I like PAL so far, I mainly post from SteemPeak which I think meets all my needs so far....but I have a been a long time supporter of PAL/minnowsupport program...and I believe this is heading in the right direction.

Looking forward how this can help Artists creators of content in the long run, I saw that @isaria and (shane)@swelker101 have something prepared, however not entirely sure how much will this will be related to PAL or if will be something completely apart.

hey @crypto.piotr

the comment count difference is much less severe than you think. for some reason the PALnet platform counts only top-level comments without including their replies right away like the steemit.com condenser does.

on top of that PALnet also uses some black-list filtering for accounts that have explicitly broken PAL community guidelines, but that will only be very few cases, the big difference really just comes from the way replies are counted.

concerning voting power, check this:

https://economicstudio.github.io/vp/?a=crypto.piotr&t=PAL

PAL voting power only depletes when voting on posts with the tag, hence some recommend keeping the stake in separate accounts

Don't Forget The Airdrops!

This is very important. I've received a lot of tokens simply because I held some PAL. Recently I got about 1 INT Toke per 6 PAL I had staked. Based on market prices it was like getting a 8.5% dividend.

Greetings brother @crypto.piotr.

This publication seems very interesting to me, the topic that you tackled is key to understand the functioning of all these new platforms that are emerging on Steem's blockchin.

Is Palnet.io a clone of Steemit?
I would not see it that way.

I recently noticed that on the steempeak platform. com an option is set in its menu titled: "Tribes". This caught my attention. When entering this option we find several platforms, all of them pretend to group users around a specific topic (apparently). But there is a detail, almost all these new "tribes" adopted an interface almost identical to that of steemit.
The question: why?
I imagine they did not want to generate an effect of "resistance to change" in the users. Perhaps this is a consensus decision between the new developers and those of Steemit.

As for the "ghost comments".
I made my own comparison with one of my publications. You're right!
Does not match the number of comments.

But checking, the comments are there. There are 8 comments. The ones that Steemit indicates. I can visualize and read them from both platforms. But not all are accounted for in Palnet.
My Hypothesis: Palnet only counts the comments that are written from palnet.io.
I would have to verify this.

Thank you for inviting me to your publication, dear friend.

Haven't made an actual post just yet on the palnet platform so can't comment about the issues you had with the post, but by using the palnet tag you can get additional rewards so it's a win win situation for sure.

Strange on the dissapearing comments.. I wonder if the RPC node running hte site has it's settings tweaked and this is causing that?

Comment are not disappearing, they are not shown. Those are comments that were written on another platform than PalNET. As such is is not specifically a PalNet-problem, it is a characteristic of al Nitrous frontends: they only show posts ánd comments specific for the frontend. A comment written on PalNET will not be visible on SteemLEO or on of the (by now) many other frontsends. The only place where you see them al is on Steemit. However, any comment entered on Steemit.com won't appear on PalNET/SteemLEo/etcetcetc.
One should be able to tag comments as well. Or the frontsends shouldn't be picky about the comments shown. As it is now, it is a bit of a nuisance.
The idea behind the posts and tags is sound I think: just shoe on the specific frontend what is meant for the specific front end. Comments, however, should be shown all, otherwise it is really hard to follow a comment trail.

Other than that: I am a great fan of PalNET. The ability to create communities for specific topics or areas is in my opinion a great advantage. Palnet is not specifically geared towards one topic, it is geared towards a certain attitude in posting, reading and commenting. The motto is "no nocere" which translates (rather freely) as "do no harm". You can post about anything you're interested in. You can comment whatever you like. As long as it is done civilized and respectfully. I like that.

I haven't noticed comments are gone.
I post via partiko and visit palnet to comment and upvote over there.
The answers I can see in Partiko and I can respond again.

I hope I can create an account as @fitinfun described so IFK vote on palnet it will not cost me Steem. So far I did not manage to do so.

I think palnet will have more future as steemit after the next fork. It is not encouraging for starters/those with low SP especially not with Steem dropping.

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Saludos @crypto.piotr. Todo lo que es hecho para mejorar, para mí es bienvenido. Adelante, todo el éxito del mundo para usted y el grupo al cual está apoyando.

People will have to comment on your post on palnet in order for you to see it on there. If the comment from steemit its only showen on steemit.

I like the 50/50 alot, looking forward to the HF21 on steemit. But I dont use the platform, I have partiko installed on my phone and its mostly here I read articles.

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Very good Mr @crypto.piotr.

I have a little over 100 days in all this that has to do with blockchain and criptomoney. In this case steem with its fornt-end steemit.

Al principio, llegué con gran motivación por lo que significaba trabajar en la creación de contenidos y mostrar a la gente que soy capaz de proponer un trabajo original y de calidad.

On the other hand, I must mention that I live in Venezuela and I work as a teacher in a public high school where a fortnightly salary is cancelled. Needless to say, the economic difficulties that we are going through, but which are not relevant in detail.

In addition, I want to make it clear that in the Latino community there is a lot of quality human talent that can contribute greatly to the blockchain through any of its frontend.

But. It is necessary that this effort and work be rewarded efficiently and in a relatively short to medium term. Because of our economic situation mentioned above, it is necessary to monetize in order to cover our basic expenses.

Now, when I began to reason what this world meant, I realized that for more effort, work and time, the economic rewards were going to be few because the great reward boat is taken by the Anglo-Saxon community, especially by the great whales, as they are called. In other words, the gaps for small and large users are almost impossible to reach.

When the palnet initiative was born, it was like a light for many of those small and new subscribers because being "new", maybe we could grow together with the project. And the differences between whales and small users would not be so deep.

As for the interface itself, I use them alternately. But more time is spent from palnet which is where I make my publications.

The missing messages

The problem is with the counter, the messages do not disappear are still there. What happens is that the counter does not add them all. It will have to be corrected.

In a nutshell. In my experience of a common user with little capital to invest, I think that palnet is another opportunity that opens up to show your contributions and that they are valued as they deserve.

Greetings.

Hi @crypto.piotr, I'll try to answer your questions the best way I can from my own understanding.

Disappearing comments - I don't know if the write word to use is disappearing, don't get me wrong, you see when I post and put the various tags, not just palnet but spt, leo, weed, sct and others that have UIs'. I open all of them in different browsers and notice the count for comments on Steemit (higher) is different from that of others which are mostly lower.

The point here is that it doesn't add up to what I have on Steemit.com, so it isn't a matter of it coming and then disappearing but rather that it didn't come at all. I am reasoning that it is only comments of users that have that particular token that are reflected or if it is members who comment on that particular platform shows up. Just guess on that one.

what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? - I think they still get their share of the 50% curation, I say this because I didn't buy any Sports token but have been curating members who have been earning it and for that I have been receiving my share of the curation, I only just staked them when I got over 200+ of the sports token.

Based on that and since they are all Steem-Engine tokens, I believe it should be the same for the PAL curation.

I don't think I am looking at just Palnet.io but rather on all the tokens Steem-Engine has given life to. I read most of their whitepaper, many of them have been waiting for SMT and even given up hope of their business coming into existence because SMT hasn't still manifested.

Steem-Engine has given live to all of this in a very short time and I am willing to be patient with them solving the issues that come up with developments such as they have done.

Speempeak is also doing a lot of integration of all these new stuff we are seeing into their UI.

We should remember that all these developments are within a short period of about 4 months.

Thanks.

No difference between palnet and steemit except for rewards and wallet section. The project is still new and I hope they fix whatever is making the comments disappear

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I add one more differense.
read about it in details here:
https://www.palnet.io/palnet/@lyndsaybowes/viewing-the-steem-blockchain-through-pal-coloured-glasses

as for my personal experience, I dont want to tell a lot yet. I may say, it havent settled down yet. but probably - its a decent effort, an experiment, to establish more decent ground beneth the foot, figurally speaking, as steemit becoming a rotten paddle...

I can not understand what is good with PAL? I get coins that I can sell but what is better Than posting in Partiko to steemit? The best way to get more People to steemit - is it a Lot of tags and tokens?

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Up to this point PIFC is just staking all earnings to help reward our members with additional post rewards when we vote. Haven't bothered to test the platform as we need to see all posts for our efforts, but have considered creating a palnet only account to use all VP on just PAL posts.

@crypto.piotr, PALNET hyped a lot that's for sure but in my opinion they will going to become an Established Ecosystem and until then let's enjoy this journey and one more thing, if we have suggestions then definitely we should let the team know about it so that they can improve it as soon as possible. And you've highlighted the Comment issue and it's appreciable aspect.

Keep up and have a great time ahead.

I do not use Palnet.io. I learned about Steempeak recently and am using the interface now. I like what aggroed is doing a lot. I wonder for how long Steem is going to stay down in price. I think that the interface hides comments not from the other communities for better for worse. I guess it all comes down to user preference.

hello friend seems very interesting according to what expressed in your post this platform will have very good benefits thanks for sharing a hug ..

Pal is a good system to help bloggers like me who struggle to earn on these sites.

I like PAL and how it's more my preference (all rewards are unstaked, it takes only 4 weeks to unstake.. etc) It's also powered by a powerful STEEM community I was part in since my start (more like lurking,) I know if I found a problem I'll get an answer in PALnet Discord.

I didn't notice the problem of disappearing comments, though I mostly use eSteem rather than Palnet.io so maybe that's why?

Dear @crypto.piotr,

I think that using steempeak actually allows you to better understand the principle behind palnet, Leo, and other such front-ends. Not two people are interested in the exact same thing, and Steemit is more like some cauldron into which are thrown all the subjects, than an organized blog.

The front page looks like a mash of all that you don't want, with a few that you may randomly be interested about. Those communities make it much easier to know what you want to sort out all the posts in the blockchain. If you want to hear about sports, go to the sports frontend, if you want your specific group of friend's posts, have your own front-end.

With this, you get the diversity & sorting necessary. Also, the tokens are a countermeasure to the unfriendly bots who downvotes people as much as they can. They kill the friendliness on steemit. So people do side tokens to prevent those bots from attacking members of their community.

As for the disappearing comments, I think that it's people who are not on palnet.
Have fun & post well,
Djenny Floro.

PS: could you please add me to your posts CC, so that I'm pinged when you post something new? Thanks!

These are tribal hubs rather than just alternative/reskinned steem UIs.
I think this is why the disappearing comments are ultimately a good thing. Each tribe can decide on membership, blacklisting etc. I think this'll give a more community feel to each tribe because tribe members can find each other's comments more easily.
I expect that, over time, the tribal interfaces will diverge more and more from each other. That is, I believe they will incorporate features that are of specific value to that community. Starting with a skinjob and token integration is a good entry point to get a community up and running fast and, if they attract suitable dev talent, can then gradually add in the community specific features.
I think PAL is going to be around for a while.

I think PALnet is good, the way they rewarding. Unlike steemit that you thought you earned big from your blog but at the end you didn't earn well. If this continues, I'll go to PALnet.

The issue I'm just wondering in @palnet is they take too much time before they load, blog, wallet and everything. Maybe because of internet connection, but in steemit I never experience it. That's why I'm just wondering

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im using Palnet and im engaging with more people now than never, i was already lookin for some visibility with my music and my daily blogging post and coincides with all this tribes happening, i saw a lot of members committed to grow and this "problem" that you see i can see it like an advatage on his front end, because will show you people that like you, is active on a new coin in which many users are investing so, (among many reasons that can be visualized because cryptocoins + plus honest comunities.), it's a new to be able to give more meaningful votes to the post that they like. (be whales, do changues.) my opinion. also, if you want to see all the comments you can go to Steemit, with keychain i dont see this split of pages like a headache (this pages are still new and thank god we had developers in many zones of the globe doing his works to a decentralized world.)

so, i think all of us here are on the right side of the storie, because we're all intrepeneurs on the future, now.

I see that Palnet will do the same as Steemit, the whales will always vote among themselves and will abandon the sardines.

I have learned not to jump the gun here - pal is new and they are working out bugs. I am earning money by using their tag and getting airdrops of other coins because I am in pal. I do not visit the site now since I am too busy otherwise to mess with it.

Does anyone know what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet?

It just means you did not use your voting power in pal. You have less of a disparity than most of us so you must be voting while you are in there:
https://economicstudio.github.io/vp/?a=crypto.piotr&t=PAL

Pas beaucoup d'intérêt pour cette plateforme qui n'est qu'une copie de Steemit. Elle me sert uniquement lorsque Steemit ou Busy sont en panne ou en maintenance.

Dear Piotr, i think palnet is a new platform on the way to development, so it will be fixed some issue, but the best point i like is the way of rewarding, all is going into your wallet as fresh money and you can decide to power it up or not.
Did you notice i delegated you 200 Pal?
I hope you will appreciate it....

Pal is sure the best interface along with its own environment and tokens. I can see the frequent changes that I am adapting as well, it is like running the holds. I usually write a blog and get upvote by sending some token to minnow support and after that, I use the steem again to buy PALs so it is like running what you hold.

Hi @crypto.piotr. About a week ago I received a wallet message with a link to your comment, explaining how we should support your PROJECT #HOPE by delegating PAL tokens to you. I followed your detailed instructions and ended up GIVING (instead of delegating) you 209 PAL tokens. Now that you don't like PAL a my more, is there a chance I get it back?

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All I can say is they are all great that's all and thank you @crypto.piotr for the wonderful content. I love all of them PAL, Steemit, Leo, ect.

PALNET is a revolutionary idea that is benefiting the whole community.
The project will have a great future!
I hope that in the future the possibility of searching for users will be implemented as you can already do with the normal Steemit interface.
I would like to search and vote for some users but I don't know how to find them.

Maybe the way is there and I didn't notice it?

Pal is a good beginning right now. Let's continue to enjoy the good work for the now into the future. I know it will becomes better by the way.

Hi, my dear friend!

Some people like the same things, don't like changes... I mean about the platform PALNET, It remembers me my first time in Steemit. And the wallet, perfect! Like the old times ;)

So... the mystery of the missing comments is solved... They count the direct comments and not the replies to the comments, I guess It's just lazy bots hahaha

I normally use PALNET occasionally due to nostalgia for the wallet. What I always do is put the PALNET tag in my post ;P

What terrifies me about the PAL token is its fluctuations, I see it rising and falling constantly.

Don't be a stranger!

Cheers!

I will like to be part of this project. This project makes sense to me

Hi @crypto.Piotr, I have little time publishing with the label of palnet and if I had realized the disappearance of the messages and inferi that are of those who are not registered but the issue is that those registered do not appear.

Another thing that we fail to see are users who we vote.

They can be details that are still working developers. By now I don't feel competent to envision the future of Palnet. Let us hope progress satisfactorily.

When you are in PALnet, post articles or voting, it is also published at STEMMIT.com and voting is completed.
You can at the same time Get PAL coin and Steem coin...
So pay attention to the power level between the two..

Congratulations @crypto.piotr!
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From what I understand the palnet.io is just a front end interface like Steempeak, Busy, and others so many others. So you do have to be logged in on that site to post on that site whether a post or a comment. It is an easy fix for anyone trying to get to something to just change the palnet.io to steemit.com or your preferred front end. If someone doesn't want to create an account on the .io they don't have to. All tokens are redeemed on the Steem Engine site so the front end is non-essential you just need to use the tag.

I personally use Steempeak for my front end. With the new Tribe function, I just click on PALnet, SteemLeo, or such and I'm taken to the my feed for those that I know that are a part of that tribe, then you can click on Most rewarded or most recent posts to see what the .io has going on specifically. The wallet is much more comprehensive. I could go on. There are more positives than negatives. The only downfall versus eSteem and Partiko is there isn't a specific mobile version and you don't get upvoted.

There is so much confusion going on with palnet and other social platforms here. I commented on a post which was on palnet but the man who replied was visible on palnet but not on other platforms. But I think this platform will be very good for starters in steem blockchain. Thank you @juanmolina for informing me about this post.

As I read your post, I was like Piotr is crazy.. PALnet is simply awesome. It makes Steemit easier to use and I get more stuff (PAL). Then I read disappearing comments and was like what? Yeah, that can be a problem. Well, I guess PALnet figures Steemit can be the old guy manning the the library archives while it acts as the young gun taking the lead and fresh spoils. If this is how it works out in the end, with Steemit as our personal history and PALnet as our fun-to-use front end, then awesome.

I think the disappearing comments due to the sync between two rocks database seemed to be lagging.

When I post in Steemit with palnet tag, it takes quite a while to update into the palnet interface.

I also realise when I am claiming the tokens they tend to lag a little further than Steemit on the updates too.

If you have remembered about how SMT is proposed, this seemed to be something that portrays that structure.

However regarding sustainability, its not going to work well enough if the ecosystem is similar to what steemit has been building.

If you have time, please take a look at my most recent 2 posts at @dses where I pointed out that there is a missing piece of the puzzle (in a normal country - not like Venezuela) context, and without that, sooner or later it can meet the lifespan of very similar social network platforms before Steem blockchain existed - crumble and fall; and I don't want that to happen.

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Dear @crypto.piotr, very interesting comparative analysis. To be honest I have not stopped to detail those differences but it is very interesting what you express about the invisible comments ...

You may have to see if the users that issued those comments have accounts in palNet.io or not, as you mentioned earlier that only posts containing the palnet tag are shown in the interface. It's just speculation, I'm not sure about this but it would be good to find out.

Hi dear @Crypto.Piotr,

I just want to say that I do like all the 'obvious similarities and differences', specially the 50/50 pool as it was before HF21 at steemit, and that the comments aren't disappearing, that probably is an error on Your end.

I've noticed comments not updating at palnet at first and after refreshing posts, both on steemit and palnet, all the comments are there in both platforms, try refreshing, cleaning cookies, caches, etc, and see if they appear ;)

The additional question You've made, I do believe was perfectly answered by @BAShadow

Have a great day,
Cy

Aside from the differences you noted in payout splits etc. one of our major plans is to develop a customized front end integrating our msp-waves radio station and some other fun things.

I'm not entirely sure what's happening with the comment issue but kinks are still being worked out with scotbot.

As for your last question, if you upvote someone on steemit who has not used the palnet tag it doesn't affect your PAL vp at all. Everyone who has a steem account has a palnet account, it is all dependent on wether they used the palnet tag on the post or not.

Did you read these 2 posts?
https://www.palnet.io/steem/@abh12345/managing-the-voting-power-of-multiple-staked-tokens-2
(and 1. part)

PALnet is a good start. If they can do the economics better than Steem then I will not power down my PALnet tokens like I am doing with Steem. The Steem economy does not work and I really hope the lessons are learned.

I like palnet, and I believe it has a great feature. Maybe they should work on their disappearing comments, but it's not bad to want comments only made by your members to appear. This might push more people to register with you.

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Palnet's a good idea.
I think it'll stay longer and get a big following.

Hm ...

i don't see any entries for PALnet /USD, when i google it i get something about planetcoin ... so ...

they have the hyperinflation steemit has and the option to stripmine even faster :D ... they must have a secret thing then going on maybe i should check it out, first thing i hear about it thanks @crypto.piotr - in the end spinoffs don't seem to last, as you said, its not the first one and let's not forget steemit DOES have money , im not sure however, how they plan keeping on if their prime source is selling off their own token as they are the biggest dumper of itself. The primary objective should be to make secondary income prime so that the only reason to sell off steem for them would be to keep the sbd peg in check, and i think that's actually what they're trying. All the bs (pardon my french) on self-voting and what not is (i think) something to keep a few elders happy with the original idea that it's all about written / good content ... when they no longer need to sell off their own coin that's a start but onboarding BIG accounts is a must, i don't think the community or the fortune 50 is really all into that , just a lot of

talking about it

maybe i'll check that palthing out :)

oh actually (see i do it again) i wanted to ask where is their API ? (like you have condenser here?) or is it just a simple forum clone with zero backend you can use as enduser ? anyone knows before i take actual time to go overthere and see ?

I think PAL is a proof of concept for a greater ecosystem. While we can all sit and knit pick the UI and what it brings to the user experience its really looking at the concept through the eye of a needle.

It's showing that it's possible to turn STEEM into a website CMS for your own community and while at the moment we replicating the steem front end it won't always be this way.

Projects coming on board will want to use their own designs, pull in their own data from the blockchain and create different content experiences as well as reward structures.

If we want steem to mean more to more people I think this is a good way fo taking it forward and breaking up the experience into niche sites that have their own way of running things and governance and further pushing for decentralisation

Well, to me there is no desire to post via palne.io because the features in palnet is almost if not exactly as that of steemit. Any time I make a post there, it just seems as though I just made a post with the usual steemit platform.

I just hope they would upgrade it to a better standard in no distance time.

Personally, I never caught onto the excitement and still haven’t really got the value proposition.

Frankly, I think it just makes things more complicated.

For a handful of people on Steem who are open to being impressed with some new novelty derivative, it seems to be great. Though for anyone who’d be freshly entering the Steem ecosystem and/or investors investigating Steem, it’d likely be more confusing and off-putting than something that is straightforward and has clear value.

Just my two cents.