Engagement is Hard!
Over the past 6 days, I made an initiative for myself to get more engaged on LeoFinance in the comments. After seeing @abh12345's latest LeoFinance Engagement post I realized that I really needed to step up my game and get engaged. Over the past year or so, I got more wrapped up in developing and building the team around LeoFinance than being engaged on LeoFinance.
While I need to keep my focus on building the team and overseeing all of the development, I don't want to lose sight of why this all started in the first place. I love being engaged in the comments, hearing critical feedback (with extra emphasis on the former word in cases like @edicted 😜) and taking all of the awareness that comes with being engaged and using it to better build the project.
Over the past 6 days in engaging more on LeoFinance.io, I've noticed a lot of things that went unchecked - both good and bad. I've already added a number of things to our team dashboard for us to prioritize and update.
In addition, I feel a better understanding of where everyone is at in the community. These weekly engagement competitions are just getting started. My return is more than just 1 week. You'll be seeing my comments around LeoFinance a lot more over the coming months and years.
This week, I said that anyone who beat me in Asher's next LeoFinance Engagement League post would win 100 LEO from me. All you need to do is rank higher in the weekly engagement table. Last week I was #22. We'll see where I land this week.
Engagement is Hard
One thing I've come to remember (quite quickly) is that engagement is hard! It's not easy to stay up-to-date on all the conversations happening here on LeoFinance. You might be having a conversation under one post and then start getting reply notifications to some other replies you had on another post.
When you're doing hundreds of comments per week, it can be difficult to stay up with all of them.
We have a pretty decent UI with the Reply tabs here on LeoFinance.io - https://leofinance.io/@khaleelkazi/replies - that's where I've been spending most of my time finding replies and responding to them.
One of the things I've added to our team dashboard is a better comment reply UI.
We can build something that ties in comments much easier and allows everyone - especially the taskmaster's of the world - to organize and reply to comments from a seamless UI experience.
The other thing I would love to add is a real-time engagement leaderboard page on LeoFinance.io. This would show similar stats to Asher's posts and we could all see each other rank in real time. The gamification this brings is really incredible to think about and with LeoLegends NFTs on the horizon, I have a feeling we could tie some cool NFT features into the weekly rankings of top engagement.
The Threads idea that I've had in the past seems more important now than ever after spending the past week engaged in the comments. I think we can do something really cool when we combine threads and community pages. More on that later.
Will You Beat Me This Week?
This week there is 100 LEO up for grabs by anyone who ranks above me in Asher's post. I think you have about 24 hours left until he puts up the next engagement post. If 10 people rank above me, I'll be handing out 1,000 LEO.
I did this to keep myself accountable. I've been wanting to be engaged in the comments on LeoFinance for a long time now but I have been lazy in getting back to it. Getting sucked in by a development issue often makes me not want to do anything other than focus on that.
With the team expanding, I'm learning how to delegate that work a lot better. We are a lot more organized in identifying problems and working on solutions as a team which is a hell of a lot better than our old processes.
This week is a test of my engagement and I have a feeling that we're going to see some pretty explosive numbers in terms of comments this week. All of this is feeding really nicely into the growth of LeoFinance. We need to keep up with this engagement each week, so I'll be releasing competitions every single week to beat me in engagement.
AskLeo: How do you feel about engagement? In what ways do you think you can engage better? Do you think there's anything we can do to make engaging more... engaging?
Leave a comment below...
so I can get a bunch of replies in!
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Definitely and honestly you have also done so well too in recent days or months if I may say,to stay consistent is not easy at all,as it will take lot of commitment and time too.
For the Job done so far, especially with the great information and update given to the community,to me you have done so well
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It's a big commitment, engaging on a daily basis. That being said I have learned so much from being more involved in the conversations directly on LeoFinance! I'm excited to make this a regular thing
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Staying consistent always is not easy and for me I will say you have done well,so let give grabbing some Leo a chance this time around
Get yourself 100 LEO next week and beat me!
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I believe is a gradual process and consistency and hardwork can make one to achieve that aim of making it to the top in the engagement league and I believe it's not a day job but is definitely working towards that direction of entering the too list. Your really doing great and I believe you can achieve that goal
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I’m working to do 500+ this week. We’ll see if I can push that higher still next week!
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One thing I know of recent is that the comments section in the community as increase over the month and that is as a result of how well the community as improve so far.
Turning engagement into competition too won't be a bad idea and for you nice work so far,been active often and often takes a lot of hard job
The engagement has really impressed me this week. I noticed that task and jfang doubled their engagement even though they were already top 2 last week
I’m looking forward to more and more people jumping into the mix each week
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I’m using LeoMobile for a lot of my comments! It’s awesome and in open beta, head out and download it ;)
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Hm what device do you have?
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Okay gotcha. Yeah please open a #bug-report ticket on Discord and we can look into it
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Oh dang, I was a lot further down the list than I really expected to be. I guess maybe it had to do with me being on vacation and stuff. I hope I rank higher than you. The chances are probably pretty slim though since you are upping your game now!
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You always have next week! I think next week starts in about 24 hours when Asher releases the next post
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Very true! It's almost like a full time job sometimes! The commenting I mean. At least I can do some of it while I am actually doing my full time job!
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Haha yeah that's the right strategy! I've been replying to most of the comments in between meetings IRL and digitally.
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A great strategy! Speaking of strategy... I see what you are doing. You are going to just keep replying to me so I don't beat you right? :)
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Some Leo up for grab now,via engagement,nice one.
Engagement is the key always
Engagement is everything
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I must say that beating you on engagements is really hard, I tried but I gave up.
Well, speaking for myself engagements come naturally for me when I relate to the post, I naturally don’t like long post so I avoid them.
A Leofinance engagement competition will be cool but not shallow engagements like “Nice post”. So far, I feel we have been doing good but there is always room for improvement
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All your engagements are belong to me.
I think you would love the threads idea we're going to release. It's essentially like a mini project blank where you can jump into discussions that are categorized by subject as opposed to only commenting on posts.
Think of it as a new type of post feed where you can get fed content in the form of comment "threads" instead of top-level posts. Then you can read a few comments and jump right into the conversation. I have a feeling this feature will spur massive levels of engagement and we'll try to release it around the time of Community Pages.
Engagement definitely needs to be quality engagement Asher's variables for ranking engagement isn't just based around how many comments you make - it has other requirements as well (see above list)
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I wonder if that point of CO might work against you. Then again, I don't think it will affect the other factors so each comment will add up to your score.
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The above list is fair enough and the top people on the list surely work hard for it. Infact, you can’t call it hard work when they are having fun doing it.
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Wen work is fun, it isn't work
Gotta do what you love every day! I am so fortunate to wake up and do it
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Lol, same applies to me, I prefer it short and detailed but I've identified some users whose long post I enjoy.
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There are definitely a few creators out there that put out some cool long-form content!
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taskmaster heads the list for me, dragosroua is a favorite as well mistikili keeps it fairly long as well which I enjoy amongst others.
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yeah I love those guys, I enjoy their post a lot.
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Ah all great picks! Reminds me to get out there and read more content
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It's harder for me to make a short post than it is to make a long post. Some people here can confirm this!
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It comes naturally either short or long, I write between 300 to 400 words not sure if that's considered long or short but I feel comfortable within that range.
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Engagement is a lot harder than people expect. I highly suggest you drop by the @leomarkettalk. It's more short-form stuff so it's easier to find something to comment on. We always welcome more people to show up and chat.
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I will check it out to see how it works
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LMT is very cool. Admittedly, I'm lacking in my presence there and always have.
It's an awesome "pre-projectblank" hangout spot that Taskamster runs. Super cool
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Yeah this is another place where my attention is severely lacking. I'll take you up on this tonight and drop by!
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Don't give up yet. You have one more day to smash it out of the park.
That should be plenty to move up the rankings and become a leo legend.
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😂 love the encouragement but he is way ahead of me right now.
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Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
All you can do is make a thousand comments over the night and try to beat him.
Just think of all those LEO's.
Let’s see 🤔 you have a point.
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With this encouragement, let me see what I can do about it. Thanks a lot for the encouragement, I need to have more friends like you
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Haha I would love to see you do 1,000 comments tonight. I might have to send some special gift over if you somehow made that happen
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I think I'm ready for this challenge :)
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Do it! Let's see you get 1,000+ comments in Asher's next engagement league (it's 7 days long and starts tomorrow)!
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I got this :)
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1k comments are tough. I was raking in around 350-450 in the past weeks but I think I might only end up around 700 or 800 this week. Can I blame the downtime yesterday as part of the reason why I failed for 1k?
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Hahaha I feel that this will skyrocket the engagement to an unbelievable level if there's a competition of a sort every week.
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Let’s get it 💪🏽
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I hope so.
It's been far too long since we saw you name popping up across our posts.
Hope your keeping ok and that you will be back to us soon.
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Nathanmars has been hustling somewhere out there! Time to get him into the comment sections on every LeoPost ;)
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Where have you been Nath? You are a hard man to spot these days.
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I'm still here buddy!
Trying to figure out a way back into Crypto and Hive.
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No problem man. Take all the time you need. Cheers!
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Before I go ahead, I have a feeling this Post will rake in over 100 comments. Engagement isn't hard, I believe it's only challenging to keep up. One thing I've discovered is that if we don't make engagement goals, it'll be very difficult to actually enjoy it and to keep up. I think you've set up a sustainable way to make sure you engagement. You've challenged the Leo community, not just that.... You've incentivized the prospect of anyone ranking higher than you. I know you're over 200+ but then, I still think even if you get to eventually send one or two people the prize for topping you, you'd be fulfilled knowing you've set the goal.
Another thing is sustaining your efforts to engagement, one of the ways to keep going is to keep reminding yourself that you can enjoy the process despite how challenging it is.
Nevertheless, a seamless UI would be great and replicating Asher's table on Leofinance.io would be fun too.
Overtime I think the ad revenue and unique visit will increase.
Cheers Khal.
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Thanks @josediccus - you're exactly right: engagement itself isn't hard but trying to keep up with all the parallel conversations is definitely a difficult challenge.
By challenging the community, I have two goals:
When you think about it, there is no way for me to lose in this scenario. That's exactly the type of game that I love to play: I win or I win ;)
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Well you're right when you say you can't lose, I've check all the parameters, but overtime more people will come into the mix, the strength of engagement often experiences diminishing returns.
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Which diminishing returns do you mean? I tend to think the more engagement the better. The only engagement I wouldn’t like to see are the “nice post” variety
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Engagement is an important element in building a community, with engagement it will generate an idea, establish strong relationships with each other, exchange ideas so as to produce something of value for the community and of course very important in encouraging the contribution of everyone in the community
Apart from that, I think there is a need for triggers to make engagement more developed, such as rewards, competitions or so on. It is undeniable that this will encourage people to be more active in the community over time, engagement will continue to increase
100%. Engagement is the key to community building. When LeoFinance started, I was highly engaged in the comments and content creation process. Over the past year, I got more caught up in developing than using our own products. I want to have a healthy balance of both and expanding the team has made it easier for me to do that.
Yes, this weekly competition is designed to do just that: reward people for trying to beat me. Let's gamify the engagement process every single week. @abh12345 gives us fantastic metrics to track it each week. Now it's up to us to compete
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Suppose I start a community from scratch. Where do I go to announce the creation of this new community? Who do I contact? How do I attract new members to the community?
Engagement will stimulate interest, but how do I get the word out?
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You messed with the wrong people Khal. One doesn't simply come in and compete with @jfang003 and @taskmaster4450le.
They are built differently and definitely not human.
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Lol yeah I noticed they doubled their comments already this week. Definitely at least part robots with those 2. I still think I’m tough competition 🦁
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Yea I noticed that my comment length is probably lower than yours on average so I might have to make up for it somewhat in comment count. From what I see, I think you are around 300 comments this week and there is only 1 day left.
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Yeah you are crushing me in # of comments right now. Hopefully I can catch up a bit more tonight. We'll see if the other categories help boost me past you and TM though!
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I think it might be possible for you to beat me in the other categories but I don't think it's possible for you to beat task. It's probably a 1k+ comment week for him.
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I am definitely human...I only doubled my count but taskmaster like 4x his counts. I am having trouble trying to keep up with task.
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Lol you guys are crazy Lions. I love to see it
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He has been on a real spree. I can't wait to see the rankings for this week lol. Probably won't even make it in the top 10.
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We are just doing our part to the nth degree.
Cant talk about engagement if not doing it. We aim to put up the numbers.
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Loving the imitative and I firmly believe it will pay off for you. Just to be in the trenches and use what your users use every day is one of the best ways to build community but also to better determine what could be done better and improve on. There are a great many talented people with great minds and ideas which never hurts to throw those around to spark innovation and perhaps the next big thing.
Engagement is hard lol I was spending a good hour a day curating and commenting and I've now recently bumped that up to at least two hours or about 14 hours a week. It takes time, commitment but I believe in the end that pays off greatly to build a solid foundation that will continue to grow.
Also big+ For working on updating the UI for the comments section that will come in super handy! Anything to save time and make me more efficient I am all for as there's only so much time in a day/life.
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This is exactly right. The community is filled with people who are incredibly intelligent and have great ideas on a daily basis. Being in the trenches with everyone has already yielded some pretty awesome results.
It takes a lot of time but as we're both saying here, the value is amazing. I think a lot can be done on this efficiency end of the spectrum. We're already working on it 🦁
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It's not easy to lead a development team and overseeing it. And also to engage with the community. Recently I been getting more reply from you. It really means a lot to me, feels like part of Leofinance !
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Haha I’m glad to hear that! I should always lead from the front when it comes to things like this
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When leading from the front, the view forward is cleaner and more realistic. This tends to allow for better decision-making and planning.
Even if you delegate many of your tasks and responsibilities, you still need to be elevated to get a bird's eye view of what's happening as you put the X's and O's on the chalkboard/whiteboard to adjust your plans and strategies.
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You are absolutely right @khaleelkazi
Your initiative to engage more in the comments has given you more value for others involved.
For me, commenting on certain topics that match my interests on other people's posts has opened my horizons even more. It is about how we provide different perspectives on a topic through discussion that flows and develops.
Yeah this is exactly right. There’s so much value to be had in all of the various comment sections on LeoFinance. I’m really excited for the future of our community with all of this engagement
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With pleasure.
As part of this community, I will also do the same as your initiative. I'm sure other people will too.
🦁 glad to hear that!
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Having a first hand experience on the Leofinance UI gives you a better feel of the feedback from other users.
That's cool. This really Makes you a great leader. Thanks for being held accountable to your words.
I'm sure you'll have more than 10 users over your spot on the engagement league leaderboard.
LeoLegends NFTs looks novel too, especially when the ranking gets updated in real-time.
In deed, we expect the Leofinance MAUs triple last month's value in the near term.
This place is gradually becoming a true crypto school.
I wish that LeoPedia could be integrated here (particularly in the LeoMobile) in a way that new users can have a systematic way of learning crypto, Hive and the operations of Leofinance community.
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I've been learning a lot from being in the trenches here with everyone in the community the past few days. The ideas, inspiration and conversations have led to a lot of updates to what we're working on as a team.
Needless to say, doing this has shown me that I really need to do it more.
Integrating LeoPedia more heavily is a great idea. I think that's something we'll work on in the near-term sooniverse.
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In what ways can we contribute content to LeoPedia?
It's late May as I write this comment, so between the date this post was published and now there have been discussions at Daily Crypto Markets Live Blog about getting LeoPedia more updated and better integrated as a resource for all kinds of Leos as well as for people arriving from organic search engine traffic.
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I think engagement is the lifeblood of the whole ecosystem. I mean, it's a social media blogging site, engagement is literally what it's supposed to be all about. I feel like there are a few core contributors that are vital to keeping this place fresh and thriving, @taskmaster4450 being the largest of those obviously. He's one of the few people on here who actively looks to comment and then has the means to vote for other peoples' comments.
I have tried in the past but it is so time-consuming (as you're finding out) and I have a full-time RL company to run as well so it gets tough.
Maybe it's time to get a "team" of curators going who can actively spread the wealth. Even if they are fairly small upvotes, they all add up and it helps give the newbies some hope when they're just getting started.
The only other thing I'll mention is that unfortunately these comment contests lead to a bunch of inane comments. While engagement is definitely a good thing, hundreds of comments that don't add to the discussion end up taking away from the engagement rather than adding to it. Nobody wants to have to sift through 30 meaningless comments to find the one or two people that actually have something to say.
I don't know how you balance that but I know that when we ran a "number of comments" contest on #LeoMarketTalk, the engagement was huge for a month but then everyone pretty much burned out and we ended up dropping to lower engagement than we had before the contest. It's since picked up again but...definitely something to consider.
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This is one reason the LeoFinance front-end needs to incorporate the reblog widget at comment-level. It sounds like a simple thing, but it could be a nightmare to implement behind the scenes for all I know; I have no idea.
What I do know is that it took a long time to find the comment the first time, so we don't want to spend that amount of time again locating the comment so we can refer to it in a post we write.
Best of all, adding the reblog widget at comment level helps to add even more engagement in ways we haven't even considered.
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Absolutely true. The numbers may have dropped on their own anyway, but the contest made a lot of people run on empty for much longer than expected. I don't think any of us expected that side effect.
It's too late for me to upvote your comment, so please accept this slice of !PIZZA.
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Engagement is actually difficult if you want to make cutting edge comments that's solution driven.
I'll always respect you because it isn't easy to oversee a busy Community and still come out with innovative ideas that'll bring change to the community.
The first time I saw your comment on my post, I was super excited because it meant a lot to me. Thanks for all your efforts.
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Good to see you stepping in to the community more and helping build more engagement! This has been a big focus for us too, and yes, is not always easy, but it does help with organic growth for smaller accounts.
Keep up the good work
It's really hard to beat you at engagement. You have an endless performance. But this week I'll try harder.
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By the way, I love the LeoLegends NFT idea. Maybe there would be a way to tie in engagement to leveling those NFTs. Or maybe those would be different NFTs altogether.
For example, you could come up with tiers with the NFTs that you could level up based on engagement and then those NFTs would provide rights to say...pre-purchase the next CUB expansion (ThorCUB, AVAXCUB, etc..). The NFTs could then be sold by people that don't have the means or don't want to participate in those expansions so they would have real value by themselves or in conjunction with the launches.
Just thinking out loud, but that would definitely incentivize people to engage and it would also give newbies and minnows a way to participate without having to try and come up with funds. You could scale it so maybe a "Tier 1" NFT gets a certain airdrop with the right to buy an equal amount pre-launch, and then Tier 2, Tier 3, etc. would increase the amounts.
Like I said, just thinking out loud. I have no idea how much work that would be to develop and I haven't thought about whether that would allow people to game the system, but it seems to me it would be a way to spread the initial launch much wider while further incentivizing engagement from all levels of LeoFinance users, newbies to whales.
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To me reading and commenting on people's post gives me new ideas and keeps me abreast about what is happening within and outside the community. If you're looking for new ideas keep the engagement high.
Thanks.
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Hehehehe, now that's more like it, it's beautiful to see you've taken time to actually relate with the community members. That's exactly what the community needs. I havn't been here for too long but through leogrowth contest to onboard newbies on Leofinance I decided to check out the community and eventually made my first post on the interphase yesterday. Then I went on exploring, I read through comments and replies in a bid to try to understand the developments goin on (I'm new to the whole crypto and finance related terms). What caught my attention was how well you and taskmaster were actively replying to comments, sharing knowledge and clarifying things to a lot of people. I guess I even got to understand a bit through the comments than even on the main post. So I believe it's a great idea!.. it'll bring more people to engage and get to know each other, learn and gain new connections.
With the way you're going, I think it'll be hard for anyone (except taskmaster 😂) to beat you , but then what do I know?.. they're really people out there that engagement comes naturally to them.
With a seamless UI that makes things a lot easier, it's going to be really fun..go for it Khal!!...
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Don't count me out of the running just yet. So far I think I am at 100 comments or so per day. If I stay on track, I still think I have a good chance of beating him.
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Wth???...100comments per day???..gosh that's a lot of comments...
If you can keep up with that surely you'll make it..
It's worth it for 100leo !!!..
Keep going 🔥❤️✅
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Well, I think you're going to need at least 400-500 comments to beat Khal this week. I am just doing my part and I know that Khal tends to put out fewer comments but longer ones. So either way, it's not easy to beat Khal but it's possible.
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100 comments a day is doable. Not easy, but doable. Just be sure you have more than 500 HP if you want to give it a try. Less than that, you see the Resource Credits getting depleted to numbers such as 1.66% or even 0.11%. Then you need to stop activity for 4 days just to get your RCs replenished.
I tried this having just 250 HP, and I wasn't safe near the end.
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Good to see this ...
... and this (yes, I read the whole post, word for word) ...
Combined they will contribute to your staying uhhh ... "grounded" ... and ... humble! 😉 Seriously, in my long professional career, it was sad how much I experienced neither of these two vital issues being an important focus.
And the result?
Decline. It was inevitable. It takes hard work and a "continuous improvement" mindset to first build a successful enterprise. And then? To keep it there!
All the best to you on this and future endeavors! 🦁🚀
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"Grounded" is a fantastic way to put it. I need to work hard to keep my boots on the ground and be focused on our roadmap while also hearing the critical feedback needed to make better decisions.
Thank you
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Indeed engagement is not as easy as I initially thought. I will however see what number of comment I can pull before this week goes by. I must commend you, you're truly hard to beat seeing your works all over the place :-)
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I feel legitimate engagement (honest conversations, insightful comments and answers and even witty quips) is not that hard and add tremendous value to the ecosystem.
Racking up a large number of comments is hard, especially for those of us who don't like leaving comments like Nice Post like @readthisplease said.
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I 100% agree with this. The conversations we have below posts often create a massive amount of value that compliments the OP.
The key to creating these engagement competitions is to rank based on more than just # of comments. From what I understand, the ranking that @abh12345 does includes a lot more like character count and other factors that he takes into consideration for engagement. We'll see who wins this week!
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Your engagement level have been quite amazing seeing going fully with the challenge. Following up with the replies and all can be a lot of work. Should hopefully join in fully next week when I have lot of time on hands. Would have loved that Leo of yours. Hopefully the challenge extends to the coming week.
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like I said in my post I fell very flattered that I got a reply from the man, the legend, the one and only Khal :P
Let's engage, I am trying to figure out why risingstar giveaways belong in leofinance while we have great communities like oneup? Have we ever noticed the posts of risingstar 1000 starbits giveaways? How can it belong to leofinance? Usually I see leofinance as something for new project discovery can found specially these giveaway posts very annoying although it's up to the community to allow it or not currently they r curated by leo.voter while the post quality isn't that great either.
I understand it this way:
When it comes to blockchain games of any kind (most especially the Hive games), any post about them is welcome at LeoFinance as long as it emphasis is on the financial aspect.
Contests and giveaways qualify, but also posts about card rentals, airdrops, liquidity pools, supporting features and services such as
Cartel.Swap
for going back and forth between SWAP.HIVE and HIVE as well as SWAP.HBD and HBD.1UP is a major player in Hive's gaming sector, and it has contributed much to the success of Hive as a whole. This includes the financial aspect, and that's the kind of content suitable for posting at LeoFinance.
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And leovoter upvotes them? I see them as less creative with some name change. 1000 starbits is a very small amount too
This is going to be a cool feature to have, it will keep one on his/her toes on checking if engagement is lagging or not.
Not easy engaging on busy offline days but on days with less to do offline, I just get myself absorbed on here.
LeoLegends NFTs? It never stops to be exciting on here!
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Most weeks I rank in the top 30ish, but that top 10 is really hard.
Engagement is what makes the place more interesting and also keeps people in touch with the community.
How can you know if your site works well if you don't use it?
How do you know what stakeholders are interested in if you don't engage?
I love that you took time out of your life to hang with the community and these are things that make Leo my number one investment on Hive!
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Yeah there are some real competitors out here! I've had to work hard to stay head-to-head with them. Today is going to be a busy one!
Exactly right. The only way for me to be informed is to be on the ground with everyone else. I'm trying to do better in this regard.
Thanks Wu!
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It really is hard, and it is even harder when you look at the whole hive system and try to comment on different communities or have a couple of different accounts.
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Yeah that could definitely be difficult. I've been engaging only on LeoFinance stuff for obvious reasons and that has turned into a full-time job! I'm so happy to see all of the engagement around here
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Yeah for sure, I find it is one thing with hive-engine, even voting you can't truly vote each community easily with all your power.
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Yeah, it really can be. I have always said Leo tops hive for engagement
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The Threads idea that I've had in the past seems more important now than ever after spending the past week engaged in the comments.— this will not be a bad idea , I believe threads one way or the other would foster engagements on here and make it more elaborate. Engagements can be difficult rightly said but when you’re actually interested in certain posts I feel engagements will be so much fun .
You've made my day with this one... The mighty Khal using my #askleo tag/initiative/shit...
And to answer that... Well, one thing that worked well from back in the days when @taskmaster4450 has created initiative 10 which could translate to throw 10 comments a day and you'll be happy the upvotes coming from LEO whales such as @onealfa were encouraging engagement.
Now, when I think of it is a bit bitchy to get into reading posts and commenting just for the sake of upvotes, but it helps...
Another way through which I see engagement getting to higher highs is through such as these #askleo posts of mine which are usually short form content intended to ignite engagement.
Keep up with your challenge. Hope to grab 100 LEO from you ;). I was a pro when it came to commenting back in the days. I've become lazy but I'm back on the horse. I somehow resurrected Taskmasters initiative 10.
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I prefer having a question to answer because that means there is already something to focus on when I need to reply. It's much easier than getting lost in the post and forgetting part of it by the end of the post.
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It definitely makes it easier to come up with a reply when the question is clear. I've done this in the past as well and @acesontop had the genius idea to start AskLeo.
I really want to start doing this with all of my posts to spur more engagement here
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Good luck with it ;)!
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You did an awesome job coming up with AskLeo! It may not have seemed like it at the time, but this was and is a stroke of genus!
Ah yes I remember initiative 10! Maybe @taskmaster4450 will bring something like that back and we can do dual initiatives to bring more engagement to the platform. @onealfa is the generous whale lurking out here (Taruk from above!) and he's also giving another incentive to leave engaging commentary beneath content here on LeoFinance.
Again - super smart. I think I should leverage the AskLeo tag a lot more and perhaps add some extra incentives. I think it's great.
Haha good luck! I've been commenting my ass off
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If it wasn't for Leofinance I wouldn't be that active on Hive as I am, that's for sure, thus somehow Leofinance gets some credit for #askleo, it's inspired me.
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For the ten comments per day initiative, I think we can gamify it a bit by creating a point system (something similar to hivebuzz) where every milestone you reach a badge is issued. And those badges can be redeemed for something, what do you think @khaleekazi?
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Good idea
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Read how this all have started with Toruk
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OK, @khaleelkazi, I'll bite!
Engagement is the lifeblood of "a group of people" if they are actually to become and feel like they are a community.
And yes, engagement is hard. Especially is you are serious about not only building, but also maintaining a community. It's that second part where most community building/builders tend to fall apart. A lot of people have the vision and capacity to create an amazing community, it's the never-ending grind of always keeping the community engaged and happy and not bored with what's developing.
Trust me on that one... I started building communities on the old AOL in the mid-1990's, and have done so in various capacities and contexts ever since.
The good news is that a community eventually gets to the point of reaching "critical mass" where it no longer has to be tirelessly driven forward by the founders and a core team... although they will always have their crucial role to play. But you reach that point where a sufficient number of the community members feel involved enough that they start creating their own initiatives to help the community, rather than "waiting for something to happen."
We usually found that to happen around 3,000-5,000 members when we'd have the founders and some 10-15 "moderator/leaders" involved. Typically, we'd have 2-3% truly active people and maybe 10% "periodically active" and everyone else creating an account/profile and pretty doing nothing more with it.
But I'm sort of rambling, here...
What can be done to build engagement?
Well, if you want engagement, provide engageworthy content. Maybe that sounds painfully obvious... but seriously, that's what has to happen. Which can mean that until aforesaid "critical mass" is reached, some level of "gimmickry" is needed. Let's keep in mind that at the core of what we're doing here is ultimately the gamification of social media.
Sure, we could say that we are here "to make money," but there are a jillion ways to make money... so below that notion, you have to offer something that's "sticky;" that makes people want to hang out and participate.
One of the absolutely best examples we have — and you're actually right in the middle of it! — is Asher's engagement leagues. Sure, lots of people like to benchmark and follow their progress, but most are also too lazy (or busy) to do so on their own... but seeing their names on a leaderboard maintained by someone else really works.
Other things ("engagement gimmicks") that can be very successful are things like "Topic of the Week;" you can literally have periodic "engagement challenges" like Taskmaster's 10 comments a day initiative; challenges for people to find underexposed/undiscovered/undervalued content.
Another factor that can keep engagement high is having "cumulative" challenges... yes, there's some kind of weekly reward/recognition, but there's also a "pot" that builds and builds over 3 months, or even a year where the leaders at the end stand to derive a truly substantial benefit of some kind; like "cumulative slots" at a casino. Too keep everyone engaged, part of the "pot" will be awarded through a random drawing to anyone who's participated "at least ____ times" in the course of the challenge.
OK... I think I've gone way overboard here... I realize this is now a "post" but I'm going to leave it here, because it's where it's most "in context.
=^..^=
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Engagement can be exhausting but it's fun. Im not going for records I just want to be consistent when I have the time. I do like the idea of the real-time leaderboard though
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I won't lie it's kinda hard especially when it's something I can't relate to and when it's long too mehnnn!! I just upvote alone but trust me when it's something I know, I pour out my heart out, just express myself.
But beating you with your 1000 words engagement comment Phew! its going to be a hard one and really looking forward to that person that's up for it.
Well I know there are so many content creators that are usually in for long form content but to really help the engagement process I think making the contents more relatable and average would be okay for those who are light readers and willingly to engage because sitting and reading a thousand words might even make you get lost and not know what to ask or even engage about.
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Haha yep, engagement is hard. But that's really commendable that you've taken the effort to interact, and that you've promised large LEO payouts if you are beaten. Bravo!
Some weeks I do engagement better than others, and this week I wasn't very good with my commenting. But, as they say, there is always next time!
I like your ideas for better comment tracking. Though I use LeoFinance.io (or peakd) for most of my Hive interaction, I usually revert to Ecency for tracking comments. Their popup window loads faster and is more intuitive to me. I'd love if you could come up with a better system so I could stay on his site.
As to your AskLeo question: Personally, I just need to force myself to comment more. I read a lot of posts and curate a lot, both on LeoFinance and on Hive in general, but I don't take the time to comment as much as I want to. I run the Blockchain Poets community and I try to comment on every single poem submitted, but I often fail in that goal. I do better commenting on LeoFinance posts than I do on posts in my own community. Haha. Gotta work on it.
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You must be killin' it out here!
@dbooster just slapped you with 5.000 PIMP, @khaleelkazi.
You earned 5.000 PIMP for the strong hand.
You can still slap 2/2 more people today.
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I had a busy week Khal otherwise would have crushed you! 😂 Pretty sure you are not the #1 so get ready to lose some LEOs. 🤑🤑
Btw, keep running such engagement contests. In the past few days, I have got a crazy amount of comments on my blogs. Everyone wants to beat you and they are trying so hard, spending more time here, which is great for the site's ranking.
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I think engagement is good and personally, I wouldn't mind if @leomarkettalk got a little bit more active. I think that is probably one of the reasons why my comment count went up a little bit more this week. I am obviously engaging more than usual because I want to make sure I stay above you on this week's chart.
I guess the best way to get people to engage is to leave a question at the end of your post. It gives people a topic to walk about just like what you did.
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Have you ever seen episodes from the Batman series from the 1960s? Each story was a 2-part episode with Part 1 as a cliffhanger, and just before the episode ended the narrator presented a series of questions to be answered in Part 2. It seemed corny then, but now that I think about it it's actually genius.
Asking questions at the end of the post is definitely a good idea. I will do this more often going forward. Thanks for the suggestion!
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I always like to see a question at the end because it points my mind towards a specific topic. Otherwise I just write whatever I think and it could even be off topic.
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Happy to see our fearless leader leading from the front! :)
Obviously the social side of LeoFinance is a big focus for me as a writer.
The bottom line is that more comments lead to more repeat eyeballs and ultimately more money.
Great to see this aspect of the Leoverse getting the attention it deserves.
If I have a big day of commenting, my replies tab quickly turns into a confusing mess.
Some days I just look at it and go nope, I'm resetting and miss questions or whatever.
I'm interested to see what you come up with in terms of making it easier to follow conversations so I don't feel like a rude prick haha.
Any behaviour we want to promote, we need to monetarily incentivise.
With a concentration of LEO 'whales' at the top, it shouldn't be hard to communicate what we're trying to do.
Whether it's encouraging voting on comments more or my favourite, not voting on poorly formatted posts.
The only way people are going to change their behaviour is if they make more money and it's up to the whales to provide the incentive.
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It won't be easy to beat you on this engagement contest,but I must admit that you have atually make leofinance a competitive community,so with the leofinance engagement contest and to win 100leo i am very sure everyone will be active more than ever and i think this will also encouraging alot of newbies as well
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Well first of all it was a good challenge and i really saw a lot of people putting in the effort to get involved in it. Unfortunately i think it is going to cost you a few leo this week. Probably 800 -1000.
I would like to see a proper notification system like you see in peakd which would make it easier to follow when people reply to you. I found myself using peakd for the notifications and then opening up the reply tab here to get back to the person.
I love the idea of a leaderboard of some shape or another and i even wrote a post along these lines over a year ago with ideas on how to improve engagement and enjoyment of the hive eco-system.
It's all about engagement and gamification of the website. We all love it here but sometimes it can get a bit tedious when there is nothing to do with your spare time and no new posts to read.
Having something to do at any stage of the day would be a big plus whether that was a game to play or a challenge to compete in would help a lot.
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Engagement
Hi @khaleelkazi
It’s great that your spending more time on your flagship Leofinance.io
It’s a beautiful ship
I think the idea of a Engagement idea is great!
Gamifying engagement and rewarding it monetarily is a great idea.
I started an initiative called Reply2Win on Steemit, which I let die, along with all my other Steemit projects when I left there.
I now will revive it, as it was simply me leaving large upvotes on good comments from people whose names were unknown to me, as a way of rewarding new people for starting off on the right foot engagement wise.
I will design it to be supportive of what you due with the dashboard too.
I had been ending my posts with Khal let the Lion roar and now the roar is deafening!
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I know other than whales, no one else can beat you right now. The more RC you have the more interactive you become.
Right now we need high HP levels to post without worrying about losing RCs. Specially new users who don't know how to manage HP sometimes have to wait 3-5 days to get their HP back for posting comments and blogs.
I heard that there had been 50HP delegation when LeoFinance was born, but now it is 10 HP. 10 comments or 2 posts probably.
You also observe that many posts only get plenty of upvotes and nobody cares to post a comment due to reason that either out of RC or saving it for own posts.
Anyway, it is a learning trajectory and system will improve day by day, I hope so, as you guys get feedback and critics from this growing community.
On a personal note, you guys are doing a great job making LeoFinance a better place for user friendly engagement and profitable.
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Engagement is very hard!
Especially when we have a lot of articles taking about same things.
In Mar, we're flooded in pCUB articles, later in HBD APR 20%, and now is USDC-pHBD. I can not copy my comment in every similar article.
Just tried to find any different idea from the post then give the comment on it. If not, then I just pass by.
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Engagement requires a specific set of mind in order to be able to persistently be active across the Leo Finance spectrum. There is a lot of information to digest and you need to be up to it and provide meaningful feedback. But we are Web 3.0 social platform at its core and I am sure this entire ecosystem will get energized!
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I had I was going to do more numbers than you this week but I have had other engagements steal my time. Nevertheless, it is a nice initiative and I hope it continues.
About engagement. I am of the option that we should find creative ways of incentivizing engagement. The leomarkettalk is one of them. And I like the idea of a live engagement leaderboard that would always be on displace. I think it would get more people to engage as people love competition. I really think this will work.
There should also be measures to check the quality of engagement. As we have seen in the past people often abuse these initiatives, so it would be best to supervise these things.
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You are doing great and we thank you for giving the community extra time this week.
Fun challenge and good rewards for our top commenters out there!
We know you are working hard so we don't blame you for not being the top commenter on Leofinance hehe! You have a real job :D.
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Nice
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NFT and ranking statistics in real time, as this improves even more, I think it is a wonderful idea and would motivate everyone to keep posting and commenting, as the reward for commitment is good.
I think there should be NFT for each section, for example more comments, more posts, more votes, as those who vote a lot but don't comment should also be rewarded for their commitment.
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Yes it is.
Welcome to the party pal.
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Putting a 100 HBD bounty up for grabs was a smart way to keep yourself motivated. I need to be more active myself. I'm good at replying to those in my own content but I need to up my game with interacting on the content of others.
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I like that.
You need to continue it and have others come along with you.
Leofinance will be on fire.
Hope I pass you one day.
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.First of all, congratulations. I think you've done a terrific job in terms of engagement. It's awesome to see that you're engaging with the community, both as a "user" and a "creator" so to speak.
Secondly, how I you feel about engagement, in what ways I think I can engage better and if I think there's anything we can do to make engaging more... engaging?
Well, I have to agree with you. Engaging is hard and the reason for the success of "initiative 10" and this week was definitely the money.
When there's a chance for people to earn, they are eager to jump in. The upvotes we saw from @onealfa, tm4450 and others during initiative10 was awesome and was perfect to inspire and motivate people to engage.
The same goes for this week. The 100 extra LEO one could earn for ranking above you got people to put in some extra effort.
I personally think that we have to ask more questions rather than just making comments, so here goes:
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Yes. I often find blog posts on other HIVE front ends that I'd like to engage with using the Leo Finance front end, but when I come to Leo Finance, I can't find the post I was looking for, so I just forget about it all together.
Implementing a search feature or some kind of easier way of finding posts would be really helpful for engagement.
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It is quite hard! How could I ever beat you guys? LOL! Congrats to the two who came in ahead of you! @taskmaster4450le and @jfang003. you guys rock!
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Truth being told, engagement is hard and it's not easy to keep fit with all of them all at a time. Just like you said something you get distracted even with just commenting on the ones around you than giving the full time to everyone
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Exactly. It gets really overwhelming sometimes.
the interaction helped me learn most of the things I know about blockchain based social networks. The interaction between users is very important.
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I have blogged with #leofinance tag and am up to 84 LEO, you are on for the 100, will give a nice start! #engagement
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This is so apt. I was thinking the same thing just now.
(Should be H1)
Even if you rank #1 every week, it doesn't mean it gets easier. I'm not even talking about just making comments, either.
For example, at what cost is someone's engagement coming? If someone's engagement is being done incorrectly, it can actually stunt account growth.
If the engagement is being done with the same 10 people in the same "post" or forum, that doesn't allow for much in the way of account growth. So for someone's account to grow faster in an organic manner, it's necessary to engage with more people where the people happen to be. I know this has been my problem in recent months.
When engagement is done properly, it works for everyone involved. Other people receive upvotes because they earned them. Over time, our accounts acquire greater voting power we can then share with people receiving those future upvotes. Along the way more people discover us, and the cycle repeats for everyone.
Engagement is hard enough without us doing engagement in a way which stunts our account growth. I'm not saying that happens in your case, but it is a point we don't usually consider in conversations revolving around the topic.
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