RE: The Downvote Debate - A Complex Issue Indicative of a Failure in Design
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Taking posts that are trending, and deleting all their rewards so they disappear for anyone not following the author, is suppression of information.
By that same logic everyone who comes to Hive as a new user is being suppressed too.
Nobody is entitled to be seen on Hive though, and that has never been suppression, and never will it be.
The posts don't magically "disappear" though. They can still be seen by anyone.
For you to really be suppressed, you'd have to be disconnected from your followers.
Bullet points:
- I disagree. Hive is not Facebook, Tiktok, Twitter, or Tumblr. We have social cohesion.
- Only pedantic assholes take obvious exaggeration literally.
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Every user who comes to hive is being upvoted to trending, and then zero'd out?
No, but when hundreds of accounts upvote a post, making it more and more visible, and then 1 account zeroes it out and crashes that visibility - that is suppression.
Nobody claimed they were deleted. Simply removed from the potential eyeballs of anyone that wasn't already following the person (or people who reblog it)
You clearly don't know what the word suppression means.
According to the dictionary, what is happening would easily meet definitions #1, 4, 5a, and 5b.
Nobody said it was; I don't see what the point of this statement was.
I can't imagine what you mean by this. Maybe we had a very small amount of social cohesion during the takeover by Sun - but that was a temporary common-enemy situation.
Maybe some of us just prefer to have honest conversations, which is made much more difficult by people randomly jumping between statements meant to be honest, and ones [they think are] obviously not.
You said "Do you think they should all be rewarded for basically copy-pasting the shit the other blog is saying?", which I agreed to, pointing out that this is the nature of "social media" (most people aren't content creators), AND that this happens far less with the communities currently being target by whales, than it does on Hive in general. Put another way, the people who commit these acts the least are being punished far more than the ones who exclusive post that way.
If someone is downvoted, the effect is the same as it originally was without followers or upvotes. If that means suppression, everyone who's just starting out, is being suppressed.
If someone disagrees with the rewards, your followers don't magically disappear and stop viewing your content, so your visibility doesn't suffer significantly either. After all, most of your views are usually from your followers in pretty much any case. (Unless you are just starting out on Hive.) You never get less views than someone just starting posting on Hive would.
Nope.
I've been on the receiving end of downvote-to-zero campaigns multiple times, always from spite instead of actual disagreement over rewards. I don't think it ever suppressed my visibility, quite contrary I think I actually gained views.
Yea, it felt bad at time, but I'm still here. Those guys, I don't know what they are currently doing, or where they are.
Not censorship though.
However, I wrote a post about this:
Are you being suppressed on Hive?
It's pretty funny to me how everyone arguing that this isn't censorship or suppression just has to keep avoiding the definitions of these words, and instead are clearly using some version of the word that is not what it means in reality.
Taking a post at the top of trending, and single-handedly removing it from all trending (or hot) pages (the only place a non-follower is likely to find a new creator's work) is both censorship & suppression, as has been laid out many times.
You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with the English language. Have fun with that.
No it isn't. The baseline is the one who has no followers and practically no HP. You are still above the baseline, and your current influence and visibility is much larger than that. Whenever you fall below the baseline, then you are being suppressed.