Somehow Hive Appears to be in The Good Place.

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Wait... or is this the Bad Place?

Ah we'll figure it out eventually.

So I haven't look at the markets in a while. Got slapped down at $25k resistance and now flirting with the local lows. It's like the groundhog saw its shadow: x more weeks of winter!

To be fair the legacy economy is doing really bad, and the energy crisis is only primed to get worse at the end of the year. Will that finally be the thing that forces a rock-bottom scrape? Who knows?

Trading crypto during this time is basically impossible. Crypto moves faster than the legacy economy. By the time stocks and whatever else are bottoming out crypto very well may be heading into a bull market again. Probably just wishful thinking though. At best we can probably hope to trade flat while this trainwreck plays out.

We've recently gotten more and more bad news in the economic metric department. FOMC meeting in two weeks. Everyone already knows they are going to raise rates again. How much is a subject of debate. Real-estate looks bad. Import/Exporting data looks bad. Sanctions against Russia are crushing the European economy with weaponized energy trading.

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Wen moon?

By all accounts it looks like a lot of this bad news is already fully priced in, and by the time the FOMC meeting happens and interest rates are increased again (bearish) it will ironically bounce the market upward just like it did last time. Selling the rumor and buying the news.

Still, with the economy performing so poorly, any move up needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. This slow-moving train wreck of an economy has been derailed for over two years and still hasn't crashed into the mountain yet. Would be nice to just rip the baidaid off and get it over with but alas, that's not how it works.

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Hive eh?

The current HIVE/USDT chart doesn't look that great, but not terrible. We recently got a mini death-cross in which MA(25) moved under MA(50). Price unsurprisingly hasn't been doing great over the last few days. Still, if we can hold support at 50 cents I'm going to call that a win.

The last time BTC was trading under $20k Hive was trading at 30 cents. Remember how much that sucked? Now BTC is back in that terrifying range and Hive is at 50 cents. Hot damn... what an upgrade. What does the HIVE/BTC chart have to say?

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Wow... for real?

The HIVE/BTC looks amazing. Hyperbullish even when compared to the top dog. Every golden cross has gone through, with the biggest one happening a week ago with the MA(100) crossing above MA(200). And the current spot-trading price is above all four moving averages... which again is super super bullish. I don't think I've ever seen Hive in such a definitively bullish place against BTC. Pretty wild. Makes we want to buy some more. Good times.

I think this also really shows just how decoupled Hive has become from Bitcoin, which is a really good sign. We need a decentralized robust environment, not hundreds of coins all trading on the same up and down cycles as BTC.

As long as Bitcoin doesn't shit the bed and doesn't start making new local lows I'd say we are in a pretty good place. Hard to complain at the moment considering the circumstances. Hive is slowly creeping up the market cap. Wasn't so long ago that getting into the top 200 was deemed an accomplishment. Now it's the standard. That's crypto for ya. Wen top 10?

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It's a bit lame to toot your own horn, but Hive is in a really good spot on the tech side. At a certain point regulators are going to get extremely overbearing and aggressive, and many of the centralized entities that keep their tokens propped up are going to bail after taking all those arrows to the chest.

Hive has already been through the ringer a dozen times. This is an extremely antifragile network and many of the centralized attack vectors have been plugged or cut away entirely. This is something that will continue going unnoticed until other networks start going under from the strain of their own centralization. If that was going to happen to Hive it would of already happened during our darkest hours. Feels nice to be past all that.

HBD and algo stable-coins are of particular interest. How many other stable coins are rocking 20% rates? Our biggest competition crashed to zero right when things were getting interesting. Bear markets wash away everything that can't stand on its own. It's all part of the boom and bust cycle. At the end of the day if HBD ends up being the only algo stable coin that regulators can't control, people are going to take notice.

Speaking of being ignored...

In the context of WEB3 and social media, Hive still never gets talked about. It's truly mindblowing at this point. Like, there aren't better options out there. Everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel and scoop the gains for themselves. That tactic isn't going to work. Decentralization and community building is a decade-long grind. At this stage in the game it's not really possible to overtake Hive and what we have going here.

What does Hive have going for it, anyway?

We were told that DPOS would never work because of the money attack. Then we were money attacked, and we not only survived the attack, but profited from it and forked out our most egregious centralized attack vectors.

We were told that DPOS and coin voting would lead to centralization. Again, false. Welcome to the real world, theory-crafters. The system we have is doing the opposite. The coin distribution is getting better, not worse. Even more importantly, many toxic whales and untrustworthy stakeholders dumped all their tokens and left, allowing the real diehards like myself to scoop up coins for ten cents a pop back in 2020.

It's important to remember why decentralization matters in the first place. It's all about trust. Who-controls-what, matters. More trustworthy people with stake in their hands is a win no matter how centralized that distribution becomes. Turns out that's not even something we have to worry about. Every upvote that isn't a self-upvote increases distribution in a healthy way. Again, this isn't something that another network can copy. It takes years for these networking connections to be made and upkept for it to actually develop into a healthy ecosystem.

Hive yield-farms bandwidth.

How many other networks give you free bandwidth for staking the governance token? Sure, there are a few out there. Not many though. It's a small niche. There are many small niches on Hive like this that can't be found on other networks. Better to specialize and be good at a few things than try to do everything and get trapped in a scaling death-spiral.

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We've got a nice hardfork on the horizon. Arguably our most important one yet. The ability to delegate the bandwidth we yield farm will make it much easier to onboard new users in a scalable way. It will also allow a new derivative to be created assuming our bandwidth (RCs) are one day worth actual money. Don't be surprised when powering up Hive allows one to farm multiple assets at the same time. How many other networks do that?

Not to mention the near-instant block irreversibility upgrade on top of Hive Application Framework and the development of smart contracts and the second layer. It's a slow burn, but it's all coming together.

How many other networks were broke as shit and had to work for years just to make everything cheaper and more efficient to run? Nope, most of the coins in the top caps are subsidized by VCs and whoever else from the top-down, centralizing everything and tricking people into thinking they are legitimate. Go look at how things like Metamask and NFT platforms work. Totally centralized connected to a single server. We all saw what happened with LUNA. One day it's at the top of the world, then zero. Unfortunately, that won't be the last time. Only antifragile networks can survive the onslaught.

Even it a network doesn't crash to zero outright, is it really better to have it controlled by the same corrupted institutions we were trying to get away from in the first place? One could argue that this is even worse because it creates a very dangerous false sense of security. Who cares as long as number goes up, amirite? Yes well if a centralized agent freezes all of your assets it doesn't really matter how high the number goes, does it?

There are so many tokens out there that are completely and utterly unilaterally controlled by a single centralized agent, and nobody cares because that threat hasn't revealed itself for what it is, yet. Every single DEFI project on EVM is essentially an illegitimate centralized project in this regard (as far as I know). There are only a few diamonds out there as far as I can tell. Hive is one of them. Bitcoin is the obvious one. General computing networks like Ethereum? Maybe. If anything Ethereum will make a great testnet for projects that will eventually migrate to their own chain or the second layer.

Conclusion

When it comes to the markets, we very well may be in for another year of pain. Of course trading flat for a year is also considered painful and boring in crypto. Insert do_something meme here. Still, I'm pretty optimistic about the future and crypto in general. This floundering economy full of weaponized incompetence and corrupted institutions is the exact reason why blockchain exists in the first place. If I have to wait a bit longer to get where I want to go, so be it. Until then we can keep our heads down and continue grinding.

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i am quite pleased with what Hive has accomplished even though i believe we have a long way to go and that we are still undervalued.

Honestly, back in Steemit days after a certain point i wasn't sure that we gonna make it with this toxicity around the circle jerking. Turns out i was wrong and i couldn't be happier now. Now i think we only need a very good marketing campaign and to attract more and more people as well as investors. We need more projects like Splinterlands for example!

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HBD is a chump change compared to other stablecoins. Moreover we have mechanism in place that sacrifices peg for stability of the main coin in case of drop in price (HBD hard cap) - something unthinkable for other stablecoins.

The fact that Hive is relatively small, unpopular and grows slowly is a good thing, at least from the technical standpoint. It gives us the chance to spot and develop out of problems before they explode in our faces. We are still far from done on that field, but steadily we will get there. I feel optimistic seeing how improvements are done, despite the hiccups.

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How many other stable coins are rocking 20% rates?

Just today in the mail I got an enticement from American Express to open a “high interest rate” savings account with 0.4% APR.

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The charts look good... maybe a little too good?

The effect that those completely closed-off and manipulated moves from the Upbit pumps are certainly making them look better.

When I do forex technicals, I always advocate for ignoring news spikes.

And in a totally manipulated market like HIVE, I'm not sure how to interpret technicals at all.

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Maybe a little too good indeed.
Let's not forgot the most of the time when I make these posts the price immediately dumps, lol.

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We will moon when there is more demand than supply.
As long as we keep voting rewards to dumpers it is unrealistic to expect the price to go up.
Don't forget, not all the ninjamined/earliest adopter's stake was in stinc's hands.
Plenty left on the exchanges, mostly anonymous to the community, to keep the price low for a big chunk of any new demand.
Lucky for us they can only sell it once without buying back into a rising market price.

We haven't escaped the hands of those that wanted to kneecap us, imo.
That core of maliciousness is still with us.
Their silence speaks volumes, if you know to notice it.

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As long as we keep voting rewards to dumpers it is unrealistic to expect the price to go up.

In the context of the price going up, upvoting people that sell rewards is a rounding error. 7%-8% inflation is inconsequential to legitimate adoption and actual network growth. Would you make the same argument for a corporation? This corporation can't expand until the employees use all of their wages to buy stock! No, no one would try to say something ridiculous like that. What you are actually saying is that we are paying people who offer zero value to the network (or perhaps blogging itself is valueless), which is a completely different argument. But again I would say that's pretty irrelevant to the token price.

We haven't escaped the hands of those that wanted to kneecap us, imo.

Uh, okay. When then? This can literally be said for the next 20 years non-stop no matter how many gains are made. So at what point do we stop saying it? Nobody is out to get us. Nobody is "trying to kneecap us". Everyone wants to make money. Everyone. You would have never made this argument when we were trading at $3 during peak. It is just something we are going to say during every bear market?

We were obviously being suppressed in 2020 when Bitcoin went x4 and Hive traded flat at 13 cents. Ever since then there's nothing to suggest that what are you saying is true. And also I bought the vast majority of my stake during that exact opportunity so it wasn't even a bad thing.

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Is your argument that stinc had no impact on us falling from #3 to over 200?
Their two year development walkabout so linear rewards could reap the pool with their pay to play schemes had, and continues to have, no impact on the price?
Our reputation in the market wasn't impacted by that bs at all?

Stinc set up a hurdle that we won't be over until we return to the top ten, as we were before the mismanagement became obvious to all.

The price is absolutely dependent on the amount of volume selling.
Absent buyers, dumping the inflation can do nothing but put downward pressure on the price.
The whales can only soak up so much.
Imo, they hold too much now.
~51% of the hp, and lord knows how much of the 1/3 of hive on the exchanges.
What investor buys into that split of the coins?

7%-8% inflation is inconsequential to legitimate adoption and actual network growth.

I might go for that if we had 100k users, but with ~12k, it has an outsized impact.
Of the ~12k active users, how many are buying some of the inflation each day?
Not many, I would say.
I've never seen numbers on who is sending to exchanges and how much, but I keep getting told by someone that can pull the numbers that it is bad.
The only way those folks can dump is if it gets voted to them first.

Hive offers anybody that interacts with it a chance to grow wealthier, but if we give it to people that piss it away we are failing, imo.
Each person has their individual circumstances, some people do need their money now, but as long as we continue to vote rewards to people that send it to exchanges and never bring it back we can't realistically expect the price to rise.

The price would be 5usd right now, if people refused to sell for less.

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Good points good points.

All I can say in response to this is that I have a much different outlook on the ecosystem when coming from the development perspective. The old guard and old money on Hive comes with a lot of diminishing returns, but I'm convinced that value is going to flow into the places it deserves to be. A single popular dapp can scoop 5% of all coins in circulation in an instant, at least during these early stages. There's a lot of wiggle room out there.

The only way those folks can dump is if it gets voted to them first.

You've once again glossed over the idea that the reason they got paid is because they did a job that had value to the network (you are rounding this value to zero). It's not reasonable to assume that people on Hive aren't going to live paycheck to paycheck even though everyone else in the world does exactly that. This concept feedback loops into the development perspective. We need better jobs that create more value to the network. Then selling rewards becomes completely irrelevant, as the value being created is significantly more than the value being extracted, no matter what they do with it after they get it.

The problem with talking about forking is the fact that we still NEED the old guard. This network is way too tiny to be split. The people being accused of impropriety are also the ones running this entire show. This becomes a catch-22, because if we actually had enough egalitarian devs to fork to a badass new chain, then we very likely wouldn't even need to fork in the first place.

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Any value created by the authors/curators that dump vanishes as quick as they sell.
The value then becomes the speculation of the buyer.
Consistently dumping is bad for the price, imo, and should be mitigated against.

While we are few enough in number to more easily impress on the situation is the time to set our customs as a community.
Dumpers can't be treated as equal to hodlers, iyam.
They don't bring the same value to the chain.

And, I agree, were the price to be 5usd, this conversation would likely be less of an imperative.

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I feel like this is a problem that's already been solved.
This is a networking platform.
People have reputation.
I would have way less reputation if I hadn't been accumulating for the last 5 years.
In fact my blog payouts are shockingly correlated to my curation rewards.
For years, I've earned as much from my blog posts as I do from the 50% curation kickback.
I don't think that's a coincidence.

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I strongly believe the next green run for BTC might push hive back to $1

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There's a lot to be done before Hive makes it big breakthrough but I think we are getting there. It all going to be grinding, but there's no other way around. It is not going to be mentioned too often but once it does reach an interesting place people will get crazy trying to get into it. However, I don't tlknow if they'll have the chance or what. Who knows what the future of Hive will look like. I'm glad I'm here right now and we'll, having posts like this to learn a bit more about what's happening outside de scope of content creation.

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In my part of the world people use to say "It is the quiet water that moves the hills". The proverb might very well apply to HIVE. Slow and steady grind is better than quick run that runs out of steam.

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Do you think BUSD could be next with people all being hot about putting money into cub defi for the high yield HBD to BUSD pool. That's all fine and dandy until the hot money runs away and you're stuck going to a CEX to sell your BUSD on pennies on the dollar.

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