Don't Forget About The Ripple vs SEC Lawsuit
The SEC VS XRP lawsuit just keeps getting interesting with every passing day. In the latest turn of events, SEC has requested for an extension of time to file its Objection to Magistrate Judge Netburn’s Ruling on the motion for reconsideration of the DPP ruling.
“The documents show that the SEC ethics office cautioned former SEC official William Hinman that he had a direct financial interest in Simpson Thacher, yet Hinman continued to meet with the firm in spite of these warnings”
SEC caught with hand in cookie jar?
It was always Ripple's goal to drag this case out and make it so even if they lose it's going to cost the SEC a lot of manpower and money to continue on. It seems like this strategy is working, because every single update to the case is the SEC begging for more time or being offended that they're policy and employees are under a microscope. Certainly even if they win they may be a bit more discerning as to who they choose to target for attack.
Community
The XRP community has actually helped a lot during the course of this ongoing 14-month case. It's actually been crazy to watch these fanatics dig up dirt on the SEC and shine a light on the disgusting underbelly of this broken system. Say what you want about XRP or the founders of Ripple, but it's pretty obvious that the community support really is top notch, even if they are even more toxic and greedy than Bitcoin maximalists.
Going much better than expected
The founders of Ripple are very bullish on the outcome of this case, and I don't think they are blowing smoke or being overly optimistic. It really does seem like the SEC is somehow losing this one even though everyone knows that XRP is a centralized trashpile. They thought Ripple was an easy target and they'd get some easy money and they're getting way way more than they bargained for. No matter what happens, the SEC can't really come out on top when all these controversial emails and hypocrisy have come to light.
Double standard.
Even though XRP was 100% premined, the logic that the SEC is using to determine they are a security isn't consistent across the board. There are apparently many technicalities that somehow make XRP not a security, and the chance of them winning at this point seems surprisingly high.
Let's not forget, if they win, that's good for everyone... like amazingly good. Billions of sidelined USD will flood crypto and a massive bullrun will happen if XRP wins this case. Every coin will get pumped if and when the SEC loses a case against the lowest hanging fruit on the tree.
Institutional money would see that as the ultimate middle finger to the establishment. If Ripple can win this case, billionaires all of the world can dump funds into crypto knowing full well that money is safe from the regulators (for the time being). The FOMO this kind of cascading event could have is quite epic in nature, especially when paired with a summer bull run that was going to happen regardless of the outcome. A Ripple victory would just be icing on the cake and could even quite possibly provide a ton of exit liquidity if it came late in a summer bull run.
XRP gets more decentralized every year
Even though all the coins were premined, the SEC is not "protecting investors" by attacking the project half a decade after launch, that much is obvious. XRP investors are furious with the SEC, not happy like the SEC would like to imply. That's exactly why the XRP community has found so much dirt on the SEC and brought it to light.
Every year that goes by more of the premine gets spent or given away to big players in the space. Even though Ripple Labs used to control everything (just like Satoshi Nakamoto did) they don't control all the coins now. Not only that, they can't print more tokens like a central bank (or even a corporation that issues more stock). This is one of the many things that makes it not a security, as every stock is more centralized than XRP. Such is the nature of crypto. Even the centralized projects aren't always centralized enough to be classified as securities.
Conclusion
It's pretty crazy to think that XRP might provably not be a security in the court of law. No matter how this things plays out, the SEC can't come out on top, as too much damning information has come to light. Less and less people are going to be taking them seriously going forward (especially when they start getting sued for denying so many ETF proposals), and truly decentralized projects are just going to give them the middle finger and act as if they don't exist (because in the world of decentralization, they don't exist and have zero power).
Should Ripple win this lawsuit, it will be good for everyone, most of all XRP. There's a very good chance if they win they will once again ascend to the #2 spot on the market cap. That's the pinnacle of full greed and FOMO and we should be very worried about a market crash across the board if that happens, but by then who cares as we might all by ten times richer (or more). DCA for the win.
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i have a bag... hodling for the long run.
I remember the time when we feared the all mighty SEC and now we have seen their true nature stupid and greedy as fuck bureaucrats.
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The Sec will keep looking for a way to buy time because a win from XRP means that a lot of cryptocurrency project will not be targets. It is impressive seeing that the community is standing strong with Ripple.
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The problem with the SEC case (as I understand it) is that they could have argued that XRP was a security back when it was premined... but they didn't... the scope of the lawsuit didn't include a timeline which means the SEC is alleging that any XRP bought today is a security... when it has all the characteristics of a currency now. This is why so many exchanges dropped it... but it's also why the SEC absolutely can't win this case.
So, I assume you know this... but a lawyer named John Deaton launched a lawsuit against the SEC on behalf of a number of XRP holders (details on his website CryptoLaw US) and he and his allies have been digging up so much dirt on the SEC, Hinman as you've mentioned and Jay Clayton. Definitely follow John on Twitter if you don't already, he truly has been at it relentlessly.
I truly hope there is a day (if there hasn't been already) where the SEC offers to drop the case with a settlement and Ripple says no. Ripple is after clarity.
Thanks for the link, got up to speed and it looks like a dumpster fire of stupidity and corruption. Par for the course for government! These tools underestimated fighting crypto communities!
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If the SEC cant win this one, it is an opening that is really going to affect them. There is little that is more centralized and obvious as a security than Ripple. Certainly, as mentioned, it could be the timeline. However, that never seemed to both the government in these cases.
Either way, I dont mind seeing the SEC with a major black eye.
In the meantime, we keep building.
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Agreed.
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Far out, this Ripple vs the SEC lawsuit has gone on foreverrr.
But just like you said, the SEC can't come out on top here.
Ultimately, they have fucked themselves and ensured that at least from a legal standpoint, crypto as a whole is in a stronger position.
Cheers guys :)
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Well the howey test isn't that difficult to understand. Ripple is certainly a security. My only issue is that when Ripple is shown to be a security they need to go after ethereum and still make them pay a fine.
You can't break the law then go legit and say hey i'm innocent. The good doesn't wash out the bad. Ethereum raised money and violated regulation D just like ripple did.. i'm pretty sure hive is as well a security and steem all that.. the only thing for certain i believe is not a security is bitcoin. Securities cover any expectation of profit.... That's why bitcoin myk can pass the howey test and eventually you greedy bastards will be under the microsope as well.
Bitcoin myk functions more like a currency and you mint it and earn it because it represents your value and energy similar to bitcoin mining. it doesn't move in the idea of expectation of profit from the work of others.. which is part of the howey test @taskmaster4450.
i support Gary Genslar and i'm confident in that he'll do the right thing and fairly take them all down. i'm not a fan of the sec but alot of projects need to dissapear that don't deserve to be up there and those are certainly some of them.. ripple is without a doubt one.. i'd be okay with ethereum paying a fine and biz as usual but i'd be in a state of joy with the erasing of ripple.
It would seem @edicted many of you are destine to wear that orange prison jumpsuit. don't worry i'll pass you a pack of newports during visitation for you. See you behind bars!
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Securities or not, in the matter of all these coins you've mentioned doesn't matter. When "the good" is what really "the bad" in disguise, yes they have law on their side, that's understood... eventually they'll be unmasked. They hold the rule book for a racket that's been built so many 100's of years ago, they won't let it go easily.
Even with a win on the side of centralized XRP, it won't be over, thought it will be great for a little while. No Club-Fed for crypto.
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Yes but the problem is alot of crypto is thinly disguised rackets as well. I don't need to trade one slavemaster with another. So crypto, fed or not.. they all the same to me @edicted
And along with bitcoin myk " i will have my vengeance" in this life or the next one
@themarkymark
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No argument here... but at least these are rackets we can take part in! The banking system and the central banks are making up the rules for themselves, why wouldn't they?
Unless I live under a rock unknowingly and things have changed, we cannot get a dollar from our local central bank, turn around and lend it out 11 times legally... you'd have to be in their circle of bankers to do so.
Do you understand that 87% of the bitcoin network is only owned by about 1% of the entire network?
In most cases the top major cryptocurrencies already are controlled by those banking institutions. This false sense of control you all have is misplaced. Just because a few of you can gather to the top of a pyramid ponzi scheme is not some evolution in banking or freedom.
So what if the goldman sachs guy is in control or it's marky mark same difference to me. In every instance there is a great degree of centralization and wealth and governance control by a very small few.
I"m not going to give them credit for that. Now is that every crypto? no.. but the ones you all talk about the most are those.. The ones that are probably really decentralizing the world for the better like singularity. net.. you all aren't supporting or singing praises to those guys. You not singing praises to bitcoin myk projects that are truly going to decentralize these aspects of the globe.
You're supporting hot fast controlled, manipulated corrupt illegal trash projects and justifying them on the basis of oh this time it's some guy i know like @onealfa.. well let me tell you something..
i don't care if it's onealfa.. or freaking jeff bezos or whoever the hell it is.. if it's 30 guys in control with the power.. or 2 or 1 i don't give a hoot.. that's centralization my friend.. and it is the main component that creates the vast majority of issues for our society and that is lack of participation. So if you guys are really for all that as you claim.. which i think it's malarky @themarkymark.. but if you're for that as you say.
then you'd be supporting projects that value the end user on participation and attention value. Anything else is a carbon copy of the very thing we claim to want to escape.. No reasoning is going to take you out fo that i've given you the bitcoin stats and it's teh best crypto we got.. i don't call that progress it's trash and so is most every other project with the exception of a small small few and those few aren't the ones that you hear about because they aren't the ones that are about making you rich.. they are about making useful products for people and making the world better.
you all confuse number go up much like i'd confuse a good night at las vegas gambling as progress and success this is what all these defi projects have turned out ot be.. not to say it won't evolve in the future into something better but as to say it's not happening now. that's all baloney and wishful thinking and it's generally a tale spun by the people at the top or early adopters. well 1% of the crypto space is not representative of the entire space and much like a fantasy or dream we hear repeated those 1% of success stories. that's what you're experiencing
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Bitcoin myk functions more like a shit coin.
Fixed that for you.
Bitcoin MYK is the next step in human evolution
https://medium.com/@az.byham/ubi-is-the-next-phase-of-human-evolution-homo-universalis-acdab2d8bc61
The reason you can't see it is because you're primitive. You're not Homo Transhumanista". @taskmaster4450
You see homosapiens minds are not evolved enough.. Capitalism is the thought process of a lesser mind. @themarkymark you're a kite dangling in the elegy of a storm" Part of a barbaric dying carcass. Yes there is a sort of poetic justice to that.
The projects you all create these garbage company so called pump and dump assets.. haha.. Comparing them to a global currency like what bitcoin myk will become.. is like comparing a man to a king" .. a king to a god.. a god to an unbeliever... who doesn't believe in anything.
You are dealing with forces and a mind so far beyond your comprehension marky mark . you couldn't even began to understand. To understand you'd began to fall apart
now what would be the odds of that?
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marky mark i'm one of the greatest minds in human history period one of the greatest figures. Who else can you find doing what i do? To do what i do marky mark you must be highly evolved you see...
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the bitcoin myk community won't forget your insolence marky mark.. you'll pay dearly for it. our governance model will decide your fate.. you wait and see you'll be forever in our archives like ned scott was as progenitor for hive...We'll sing songs of your defeat marky mark.. you won't get away with this.. it will be in the bitcoin myk archives
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go ahead and downvote this marky mark.. this world not big enough to hide from me marky mark.. i'll find you and i'll have unlimited resources to hunt you down and everyone who against you will be with me in a coalition.. people like the newly reformed haejin...we going to be all joining forces against you marky mark https://leofinance.io/@mykos/elon-musk-should-buy-bitcoinmyk-com-instead
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If there's one thing about XRP that I support it's their battle vs the SEC because someone has to do it. What really floors me is what a HUGE waste of money and resources all of this is on both sides and clearly highlights why the SEC needs to be dissolved and removed or revamped. They no longer do what they were designed to do. I see this as one of the greatest battles going on right now of people just tired of their oppressive governments.
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It would beb interesting to find out exactly how much money has been wasted on this so far!
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Yet again the SEC is making a case for crypto and this will be a heavy boost for the tockenized world and something that will buy time for the innovative disrupters on the space, as institutions will be sent back to the drawing board to formulate new attacks
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Their own little racket is under pressure!!! I love it!
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Hope for a better result..
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LMAO, damn right! We all are on the same side - Maxis & non-Maxis. It's not "Ripple vs SEC" anymore but "The People vs SEC" now. The outcome of this case will hold significant importance in the history of Crypto.
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ripple pfffffff
It would be very interesting to see this SEC vs. Apple case in a Netflix series, that would give one more blow to the controlling elites.
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It's quite obvious now that it's the people versus the SEC in this matter, but what bothers me is the fact that Ripple is not a security, and despite if Ripple wins this case,we could be ten times richer, but this still calls for worry, going forward, because the disclosed crime of the SEC behind scenes could be a major concern in the not so distant future.
Is xrp having problem with sec. Through your post,it seem they are in cult
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Let it all hang out! I hope the SEC loses this one. I think you're right, a lot of money will move into the decentralized space... and a (centralized) market crash could be fun to see. I ain't rich, but I could be!
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@handtalk5 wants to win
This post made me hold into that hope that XRP will win the case hoping for 🚀🚀🚀 @edicted