RE: The main excuse for malicious down-voting is "Over-Rewarded Content..." What about the account making $10k+ PER DAY in spam comments?
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Check out smooth's daily curation rewards. lol.
I don't care, it's his stake, but it's eye opening.
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Exactly, it's all just the rules of "proof of stake" - but to say the goal of the down-voting happening is to "protect the rewards pool" and make it (like the stabilizer) sound like some grand gift to the community - while raking it in.
I'm just providing evidence and a bit of snarky commentary, I leave everything else to the reader :-)
The goal of downvoting is not to "protect the reward pool". it is to direct the reward pool elsewhere, when the downvoter doesn't agree that payout is a good use of reward pool funds. The reward pool payouts are the same regardless, it is always paid out, the important question is where.
'protect the reward pool' is a PR friendly version of 'direct the reward pool elsewhere'. the gist of the stated intent by the biggest downvoters is generally in alignment with the idea of 'protecting the reward pool' or alternatively 'looking out for the little guy' - whereas what many people are pointing out here seems just as likely or more likely, given the self interest of investors, that the downvoting is self interest motivated.
Much of this ongoing discussion seems to involve different people accusing each other of being self interested, which is both valid and also a bit weak considering that Hive is an investment vehicle, of sorts. In my perception there is a real gap, though, between the perception of people who invest in Hive mainly as a way of supporting free speech on the internet and people who invest just to make money. It is unusual to have an investment opportunity that so directly effects social interactions on a daily basis - in some ways it isn't healthy, but on the other hand the alternatives are often far less healthy.
We COULD actually cultivate health and social cohesion through the voting on Hive and that is part of what I found so exciting about Steem early on - it is an opportunity for people to understand harmony and interpersonal relations in a way that spurs personal/societal growth. However, inevitably, the imbalance of the world will emerge here too - currently perhaps easiest identified by the whales who arbitrarily choose to nuke entire accounts without explanation or community support.
Smooth, thank you for taking the time to be professional and explain. I have been away for a while so please be patient with me as I do some catching up. I'm interested in your feedback. I have been tipped off and really looking at this since this post.
Just like mostly everyone: I hope we can do a little better. I see the down-vote costs you your voting power and it is sometimes causing the other loosing party a great deal of stress which eventually makes its way full circle and turns into a debate. The whole process takes time away from all parties involved. Can we strike a balance that will save everyone time, energy, and value?
Lets consider that we could all benefit by reminding ourselves that we all have ideas for investments that are not easily communicated and require a great deal of research. It seems simple to me: have some boundaries. We could be carrot driven and let the market rewards work things out. Save the stick for fraud, child exploitation, theft or a crime in society. The rational is: Don’t underestimate how much we don’t know about what the other side is doing.
To really know someone’s intention, or even the truth from a lye, we need to spend some time investigating it and even then we will never get it right completely. Ultimately some might even opt for a system of discovery and justice; so it gets complicated fast. In my opinion, respecting boundaries will get us by in the mean time and working together will give us more solid solutions in the long term. It is just going to take some time and really it helps to keep an open mind to what we don’t know especially if we have other goals and don’t have the time to really research the intentions of the members in another group.
I don't agree with the framing of downvotes as a "stick". Downvotes and upvotes are voting where stakeholders want the rewards to go. Where stakeholders agree, the rewards flow, where stakeholders don't, the rewards don't. Sometimes, as with all decision making processes, this can be a bit messy and some people will sometimes get upset when the outcomes don't match what they would most prefer. This is unavoidable when there is any sort of collaborative decision making, but any stresses shouldn't be extreme in most cases, or alternately, adults generally learn not to be overly stressed when they don't always get their way.
Also, as voting is a method of identifying and reaching agreement, we don't need to determine or suggest any labeling of intention. A downvote does not imply bad intention, only disagreement. A lack of downvote may indicate agreement, or perhaps just neutrality. Any of these is okay, people are entitled to have different opinions or similar opinions or no opinion.
Best to you James, glad you decided to stop by after all this time.
Thanks for the welcome back! I get what your saying about stress. I live by this idea: how much stress we take on is ultimately our choice. More to my point, this maxim reminds me of the complexities, risk, and costs of development and also applies to the complexities of sorting out truth from lies in the presents of free speech:
I don't expect anyone to get that right all the time. It is easy to loose track of assumptions and, how do you know what you don't know? I'm still catching myself on something even after I really started watching my own mind with distrust. I think this maxim is on topic here and sets a healthy boundary and encourages learning when one is ready to learn: Also, here I'm taking responsibility and I welcome the competition to do better.
So I'm having good interactions with Dan N and Kenny and all this has been very interesting..
My curation rewards aren't any different from any other stakeholder who uses their voting power, relative to stake. Since the last few hard forks, curation rewards were made linear, except to the extent of downvotes or voting late (after 24 hours). It no longer adjusts in any meaningful or complex way to small differences in curation "performance" and has been turned into a participation reward for using your stake to direct rewards. Most stakeholders supported this (though, to be clear, I was a bit skeptical).
I like the change in curation rewards, less gaming, less frustration more reason to hold stake and curate. I think it was good.