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I love this.
Just like waiting for the "masses". Sorry, the masses don't understand 4 keys, instead of one password, they don't get what keychain's job is. They honestly come to peakd and still feel like they haven't found Hive.. Because no one told them to come to Peakd, or one of the others.
We are terrible, and I DO mean terrible at dumbing this whole thing down, and that is fine... As long as you don't want the masses.
:)
And yeah, people with full times jobs, and kids and hobbies, probably don't want to spend hours figuring it out so they can learn the rules, which are totally different depending on who tell you about them, usually accompanied by an insult and a downvote. lol For rules that aren't listed anywhere, and enforced by people who like to name call and think others are stupid for getting here not knowing the rare and totally strange rules of Hive. :)
I love those who have figured it for the most part and we roll on slowly picking up those who have thick skin, time to spend on it and motive enough to learn the ropes.
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You are SPOT ON my friend. I love the HIVE community and the tech is great, but HIVE and STEEM both do a terrible job at making it easy for noobs. HIVE is the most complicated system I have ever seen and things are not explained well. having 4 different keys for different things is ludicrous, and needlessly complex and making your private key the default login always was and still is a terrible and unsafe design choice. TONS of detail is also lacking in the documentation...I have been in crypto since 2010, and have been trading crypto since 2013 and invested in and used probably 40 different blockchains over the years and even I did not understand some things.
I hope that HIVE will continue to improve over time, I want this place to succeed and keep growing!
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Security for most people early on isn't that necessary as they have 0-a few hundred bucks in the early days of learning and they could use "advanced" wallet features when they cross some magical line like $500, or when they elect to turn on advanced features. That could easily take it to 2 keys. Your posting key and the one we call active. Which could be renamed to "Wallet" key. So, you'd use one key for posting activities and one for financial transactions. :) Some of the apps are trying really hard to simplify things.
We are working on it, the hard part is for a lot of the people around have been around forever and we forget how hard it is.
I recently helped my son make a splinterlands account, he's a gamer, works on computers, etc. He got so frustrated trying to understand it all! :)
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I hear you @whatsup
I tried to onboard my boys, it took a few tries, they kept walking away saying it was to complicated. If it wasn't for Splinterlands they would still be on the sidelines. Now they are willing to learn.
But between four keys, Hive Signer and Hive Engine, it very complicated and throw in the glithces and they are very frustrated at times.
Truth is this ecosystem is very complicated and those of us who have been here 3-4 years have forgotten how hard it is...until we try to onboard someone and then ... it is an eye opener.
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Lol.. exactly the point.. I know how it feels..
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Yes, HIVE Signer is a step forward since your private key is not at risk, but it does have glitches sometimes. There still needs to be a lot of improvement done.
Great point about the veterans forgetting how hard it is for newcomers, that is very true, thank you for sharing,
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I agree with you 100%!
I love that it improves security, but when it doesn’t work it’s very hard to retrace your steps and the questions it asks newbies are in an unfamiliar and unclear language. It’s tough to explain too. 🤨
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I agree completely, I hope that in time improvement can be made.
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Thanks for sharing your experience, did you guys eventually get the Splinterlands account setup and working ok? Honestly I think they should just simplify things and make it 2 keys instead of 4: posting/publishing key + wallet key...simple.
I do hope that things can be streamlined and simplified gradually on HIVE as we move forward though.
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Lol. Funny as it. Hive is quite complex and if we want the masses we need to put in more simplicity.
I just remember few days ago I was trying to explain some of these keys and all that to a few people I was bringing into Hive, but after everything some still don't get it. Still had issh logging it. A friend told me directly, this thing is complex.
Talking about rules, it would make sense if some rules of the blockchain are popped up immediately after signing up or even placed in the password backup file so they can read and get to understand some things to prevent them from breaking some rules which might need to some discouraging downvotes.
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