RE: Why we are a Republic, and Not a Democracy!
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The Bill of Rights is a limiting document, recognizing rights given to Man by GOD himself! As such these rights are beyond the authority of government.
How (short of Anarchy) would you change it?
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It hasn't limited government. Every article has been infringed. Besides, I'm an anarchist, so....
The infringements are Our failure, and not the Republic's. WE allow this feces, and get the government we deserve!
Anarchy is not a form of government, it is rule by power. To the most violent goes the spoils, everyone else is a slave or dead...even democracy is better than that!
When the economy crashes, you'll be so happy, it will be in anarchy! Then we live or die based on the force we control. I intend to thrive, so I've up armed to ensure that anarchy doesn't kill me!
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Victim blaming. The government is not us. It does not represent us. It never has. It is a group of usurped. The entire principle of "consent of the governed" is nonsense, and people only comply under a perverse blend of duress and deception.
State collapse is chaos. This chaos does not prove the lgitimacy of the prior state. It does deomstrate the failure of usurped authority.
Sorry, we did allow this feces, and they are emboldened enough that now they make their own votes; and no longer need us. We are a century down timeline from a Constitutional Republic, so neither of us has seen this Republic when it was functional.
Anarchy is chaos, so I don't see that as a solution either. When it crashes, I'll be in the country growing or wildcrafting to supply our needs.
When the gangs of anarchists finally get hungry enough to come to try to steal from us, I will be forced to kill them. That will solve my anarchy problems...and we will thrive!
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Anarchy doesn't mean chaos. That is a bogeyman created by the state. Government means chaos. Society and the market only work because of anarchy in our everyday lives.
How do you define Anarchy? Is it not a total lack of control, of everything?
When things crash, civilization will stop as gangs take over. This is the goal of anarchy, I just don't see the advantage.
Each person will need to become law into oneself. Judge, jury, and executioner.
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An- (negation of) -archos (rulers). The absence of political authority, i.e. government. Some anarchists claim to be opposed to hierarchy of any sort, but real leadership is derived from consent and not coercion, and is what allows society to function in the real world.
Governments are territorial monopolies in violence. That is the root definition. They never have legitimate authority, because no one can delegate the authority they claim to exercise on our behalf. This is the same whether such a system is called democracy, monarchy, republic, or anything else. It does not matter if they claim a written constitution, Magna Carta, bill of rights, charter, or any other document. None of us ever agreed to it, and none of them are bound by it.
The governments are the gangs you fear. They already took over. Taxation and licenses are racketeering writ large. What do you think the Russo-Ukraine war is over if not gang turf? And the government is its own judge, jury, and executioner. There are no fair trials when the State is fundamentally both prosecution and judge. The military and police have always been brutal enforcers first and foremost. Just ask an Indian. Dot or feather.
The law is not handed down by legislators, it is discovered by reason. Government invariably declares exceptions to every crime for itself.
If greed and lust for power were not a base human trait, governing by agreement would work well!
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Sadly, what will happen after the SHTF, is that nature abhors a vacuum; so with no limiting laws, consensus will be obtained by force! Welcome to totalitarianism, this will be the fate of many who are not well enough armed....
There will be a small community at the homestead, we have already set up. We will be well armed, with remote guarded access. Hopefully that will deflect the totalitarian influences, if not, we will be forced to say NO!
I hope things go well for you and yours, and I hope you find your Utopia!
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Anarchism is not Utopia. Utopia is believing that fallen man can make a just state.
Anarchy is currently a very popular method of government. It is practiced in a limited form in prison. It is limited because even in prison there are guards to limit the violence, which would Not be available after SHTF!
There is a reason that one of the more violent biker gangs is named "the sons of anarchy"....
I hope you find a non-violent result! I plan to limit violence by practicing final violence, in response to threatened violence.
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Prison is maximum state control. Biker gang names have no economic, political, or rational meaning. Once more, society functions in spite of the State because anarchy is the reality of our lives most of the time. Your arguments are incoherent.
No, my arguments are based on the fact that human nature will devolve to violence, due to greed and the hunger for power.
Prisons are mostly ignored internally, barring a serious violence event.
A community based on anarchy, will be over run, even if they say NO; to the force that wants what the community has!
Tell me how you would make anarchy work safely, in a SHTF situation....
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You keep asking me to show how anarchy works. Anarchy isn't a system. It is the antithesis of central planning. It is people choosing, voluntarily interaction, and solving problems by diverse experiments to see what works best.
The market economy is anarchy in action, and where we see political intervention, that is where we see the most instability and corruption. Prisons are an artificial environment created by government, and if they fail to properly protect their wards, that's not the fault of anarchy as a political philosophy.
Do you want to know the difference between anarchy and government in a disaster scenario? Look at FEMA vs. the Cajun Navy in hurricane rescue. Look at all the churches and other voluntary aid groups often on the ground long before the Red Cross. Where states fail, you want to blame anarchy instead of the failure of the state.
Who taught you we need a Constitution and a Republic? Sure, many of the founding fathers were breaking away from the old monarchical model, but today, those in political power want us to believe their power is just and righteous instead of usurpation and abuse.
I understand the theory of how it is intended to function. The only SHTF market scenario I've seen that had a chance, was a location where if you stole or threatened force; they hung you. The market wgot a percentage for the harsh security.
When the SHTF happens, markets will not be unicorns and flowers; they will become life or death! Voluntary actions will cease to exist, unless backed by a threat of force.
When things break down, force will sadly be the only remaining safety! No consensus or agreements that are not backed by obvious threat of force, will get a lot of people killed. The the wild west was tame by comparison, because people back then had moral absolutes; today that is no longer true...they will steal the gold out of your teeth! So don't bank on human nature, because that nature is spotty at best
If you set up a community using anarchy, you better have armed guards and a defense plan; or you will soon have a boot on your throat. Not good, but sadly predictable. Also avoid markets for as long as you can, to allow the most violent to be filtered out...by counter violence!
When the government fails, violence will replace the Constitutional rule of law. This is unavoidable, as power flows into a vacuum.
All government is a necessary Evil, to avoid being overrun by a foreign power (provide for the common defense). If the breakdown is deep enough, we may see some of that too.
If you have enough force, to stop all encroachment; you run the rusk of forcing your neighbors to comply with you cherished model. If you do this, you become the tyrant you want to avoid!
A Republic is the least invasive form of evil government, but the politicians need to be forced to abide by Constitutional restrictions. We have not enforced that restriction, so the politicians are following the same greed and hunger for power; and trying to set up tyranny.
They damn near finished us just before WW2, but were forced back to what worked by fascist in Germany and Italy, as well as the fanatics in Japan. Our 'government' is now copying the National Socialists game plan here!
I have never thought that government offers solutions, but there is a need for common defense. The Republic is the least invasive way to get that.
Ive never seen more contradictions in a single post. Are you not aware of where the strongest Nazi movement in the world is and who is supporting it? :)
"I understand the theory of how it is intended to function. The only SHTF market scenario I've seen that had a chance, was a location where if you stole or threatened force; they hung you. The market got a percentage for the harsh security."
And still, its your very government that praises and preaches
the world about democracy
"When the SHTF happens, markets will not be unicorns and flowers; they will become life or death! Voluntary actions will cease to exist, unless backed by a threat of force."
So just like a a gov, backed by deadly force, the problem, the elephant in the room is that the USA long ago lost a sense of community, at least in some areas.
"When things break down, force will sadly be the only remaining safety! No consensus or agreements that are not backed by obvious threat of force, will get a lot of people killed. The the wild west was tame by comparison, because people back then had moral absolutes; today that is no longer true...they will steal the gold out of your teeth! So don't bank on human nature, because that nature is spotty at best"
A civilized sociaty doesnt resolve its issues that way, only in extreme cases, the problem , again, is that you became so complacient having the currency of the world that you forgot about what is important, having a community, when you have a community you dont need to shoot people.
"If you set up a community using anarchy, you better have armed guards and a defense plan; or you will soon have a boot on your throat. Not good, but sadly predictable. Also avoid markets for as long as you can, to allow the most violent to be filtered out...by counter violence!"
True
"When the government fails, violence will replace the Constitutional rule of law. This is unavoidable, as power flows into a vacuum."
You are already into the vacuum, its only a fake veneer of a cloak of decency that prevents you from falling.
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I have studied History probably longer than you have been alive, so I know that the largest follower to Hitler now sits in the seats of power here in the USA; they are called liberals. They are fighting hard to finish off the Republic (it was Never a democracy) here, so they can divide up whatever survives! Their brown shirts are called antifa and blm, but there in little difference. They have allowed them to loot burn and kill, under liberal political protection; exactly like the national socialists did in 1930's Germany! They are bending every law they can find in a effort to disarm this Republic; because their dreamed of power increase is blocked by armed citizens. This also copies Hitler! They claim it is for the children, and will stop gun violence; as matches History.
If you don't Understand a comment, ask about what you don't think is right, and I'll be happy to clarify it for you.
This reply was answering specific questions, and was not intended to give you a warm feeling. We are approaching a time, where things will no longer be civilized, and violence, or the threat of violence will be the best we can hope for.
I have never said I like big government, they are destroying us as we speak! What I was saying is that when they do crash entirely, along with the rule of law; there will be hell on Earth. We all need to take steps to protect our own, because we will be on our own! Community based anarchy will not enhance anymore's safety, unless it is backed up by a real threat of violence.
When the spending becomes too much, hyper inflation will finish the dollar; and the World economy will crash with us! By then, you will need too be Living in the country!
The only thing that keeps us from falling, per the Founding Father's careful design, is the Second Amendment to the US Constitution! Right now, that Amendment on that centuries old document; is the only thing between civilization and chaos. They don't dare to try their feces, with millions of guns in civilian hands, and they know it!
Whole you are correct on the liberals have forgotten, that same poor memory doesn't extend to this entire country. There are a lot of people here that hate the World stage,and would prefer to let others police their own problems; and keep out people home, out of harms way!
Don't worry, the dollar will die soon, and the World can do as they please!
Be safe and prepare!
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