[ENG / ESP / PT-BR] Is the downvote policy necessary?
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This is my debut in the community, I found it very interesting a place where we can speak, or complain, about something without fear in relation to “Downvotes”, thus expressing our most sensible opinion. The community proposal is really cool and I hope to be able to participate very actively here.
My first subject is precisely about the negative vote that we can give here, so far, as far as I remember, I have never performed a “Downvote” on anyone and I keep thinking about the following scenario: if the network is decentralized and has no “owner”, for that when we make our posts, we do it with the fear of receiving these negative votes? Isn't that contradictory?
Despite supporting that rules are necessary for good coexistence and that we should have a minimum of decency in avoiding plagiarism and the use of uncredited sources, would it not be possible to live in a hive without negative votes? If you don't like something is it easier just not to vote no? If everyone stops voting, that post won't pick up anything and thus demotivate its author to continue with something so bad and so he can think about just starting to do the right things.
Anyway, it's still confusing, not having an owner or people complaining that they're banned on Twitter or Facebook and there's a whole adoption campaign for web3 and blockchain precisely because you don't get banned, but if you do something someone thinks it's wrong ( probably someone with more HP), you get blacklisted and don't get anything for awhile.
Far be it from me to give the idea that the hive is a bad place, if it really were, I wouldn't be here posting almost every day for almost 2 years, but there are still some things that leave me at a loss. Obviously, I follow these rules of etiquette, after all, I want to evolve and not go backwards.
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Este es mi debut en la comunidad, me pareció muy interesante un lugar donde podemos hablar, o quejarnos, de algo sin miedo en relación a los “Downvotes”, expresando así nuestra opinión más sensata. La propuesta de la comunidad es muy buena y espero poder participar muy activamente aquí.
Mi primer tema es precisamente sobre el voto negativo que podemos dar aquí, hasta ahora, que yo recuerde, nunca he realizado un “Downvote” a nadie y sigo pensando en el siguiente escenario: si la red es descentralizada y tiene no “dueño”, por que cuando hacemos nuestras publicaciones, lo hacemos con el temor de recibir estos votos negativos? ¿No es eso contradictorio?
A pesar de sostener que las reglas son necesarias para la buena convivencia y que debemos tener un mínimo de decencia para evitar el plagio y el uso de fuentes no acreditadas, ¿no sería posible vivir en una colmena sin votos negativos? Si no te gusta algo, ¿es más fácil no votar no? Si todo el mundo deja de votar, ese post no recogerá nada y así desmotivará a su autor para que siga con algo tan malo y pueda pensar en empezar a hacer las cosas bien.
De todos modos, sigue siendo confuso, no tener un propietario o personas quejándose de que están baneados en Twitter o Facebook y hay toda una campaña de adopción de web3 y blockchain precisamente porque no te banean, pero si haces algo, alguien piensa que está mal. (probablemente alguien con más HP), te ponen en la lista negra y no obtienes nada por un tiempo.
Lejos de mí transmitir la idea de que la colmena es un mal lugar, si realmente lo fuera, no estaría aquí publicando casi todos los días durante casi 2 años, pero todavía hay algunas cosas que me dejan perdido . Obviamente, sigo estas reglas de etiqueta, después de todo, quiero evolucionar y no retroceder.
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Essa é a minha estreia na comunidade, achei muito interessante um lugar onde podemos falar, ou reclamar, de algo sem medo em relação a “downvotes”, expressando assim a nossa opinião mais sensata. A proposta da comunidade é bem legal e espero conseguir participar bem ativamente aqui.
Meu primeiro assunto é justamente sobre o voto negativo que podemos dar aqui, até o momento, que me lembre, nunca realizei um “downvote” em ninguém e fico pensando o seguinte cenário: se a rede é descentralizada e não tem “dono”, por que quando fazemos nossas postagens, fazemos com o medo de receber esses votos negativos? Isso não fica contraditório?
Apesar de apoiar que regras são necessárias para boa convivência e de que devemos ter um mínimo de decência em evitar plágios e uso de fontes sem créditos, será que não seria possível viver em uma hive sem votos negativos? Se não gostou de algo é mais fácil apenas não votar não? Se todos deixarem de votar, aquela postagem não irá pegar nada e assim desmotivará o seu autor a continuar com algo tão ruim e assim ele pode pensar em justamente começar a fazer as coisas certas.
De qualquer forma, ainda é confuso, não ter dono ou as pessoas reclamarem que foram banidas no Twitter ou Facebook e existir toda uma campanha de adoção para a web3 e blockchain justamente por não ser banido, mas se você fizer algo que alguém julgar errado (provavelmente alguém com mais HP), você entra para uma lista negra e não recebe nada por algum tempo.
Longe de mim passar a ideia que a hive é um lugar ruim, se realmente fosse, não estaria aqui postando a quase 2 anos praticamente todos os dias, mas ainda existem algumas coisas que me deixam perdido. Obviamente, sigo essas regras de etiqueta, afinal, quero evoluir e não retroceder.
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So from what I've seen no one gave you a counterargument.
If there were no downvotes, someone could buy some HIVE and power it up, and start spamming comments and upvoting his comments.
I presume you don't know how rewards work on HIVE. There is a reward pool and rewards come from there in simple terms. If someone starts upvoting their spam comments, it means those rewards are rewards that someone else could have gotten.
How are we going to solve this issue if there were no downvotes? That is why downvotes are necessary. But by virtue of HIVE being a decentralized blockchain, anyone can use downvotes for whatever reason.
Hello, thank you very much for your interaction! Thanks for explaining a little more about how the hive and its pool works, I confess that I really don't understand 100% about the subject (despite some time here, I really need to study more)
So the downvotes are a way of balancing and moderating if someone really steps out of line? Looking at it this way is interesting, maybe the misuse of this negative power is what scares people (just like me haha)
There is nothing to worry about if you haven't done anything wrong and someone is targeting you with downvotes just bring it out to the attention of other whales and they will help you negate the downvote. That is the beauty of decentralization. 😄
It's really a great idea and I really liked it kkkk 😂, thanks for commenting, hope to see you around here more often! Thank you very much!
A downvote is a disagreement in rewards. One of the things that we have been trying to correct is the balance of rewards on the platform. For example you used your Ecency points to buy a vote on your own post. Please don’t do that, you will get on the list of people who monitor that type of activity and you will end up losing all of your rewards so I wouldn’t.
Down votes in the community here are for content disagreements, and I don’t disagree with your content and think it’s a good chance to have you learn more about how hive works.
Down votes are an important part of the platform as the other person here has stated because it prevents reward abuse. A lot of people can post all kinds of shitty things that have minimal or no effort but expect rewards for it. Then there’s also me voting on my own content with my fairly strong votes considering most people are below the power I have. That’s all a form of greed and it’s why the platform Steem, which hive was born out of, is a platform full of trash and spam. There’s no good quality authors there because it’s just people stealing all the rewards and not doing anything beneficial for the platform.
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I really liked your answer, as it is very explanatory and added knowledge to better understand how things work, since this subject is something as delicate as the subject that exploded, which is the use of AI in posts.
Interesting, it made me understand this process better. Thank you for interacting and sharing information!