RE: Government is Slavery

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... For me, you are describing a contradiction in terms. But let me think it through before your eyes.... I may be wrong.

If we are not understanders, but merely users of things that are supposed to make us more autonomous, then it is still the case that others (organisations/associations of specialists) must have the knowledge that ultimately leads to the many products that are sold en masse to the individual. Here 3D-printers.

Self-determination of the individual does not work without a relevant degree of expertise about the very things that enable me to have this self-determination. But if I am exclusively a user (buyer, consumer), if I understand nothing about cars, telephones, engines, ecological and living systems, etc., but merely use them, I become all the more dependent on them, the less my imagination is sufficient for the real experience I need when I deal with a thing in a practical way (this includes people as well).

Mass products are the end result of a multitude of specialisations, which you only find in such organisations called "companies", where this special knowledge is bundled, right? It is therefore important that people come together in organisations because the individual alone cannot mine, construct, design and produce any modern technology device on his own.

The effort and energy (resource extraction included) that has to be expended on the many devices, machines and transport and distribution routes of the specialist companies so that in the end 3D printers come out of it, which are then also supposed to serve as objects of use for the masses, who on this basis achieve a form of independence from these very companies that enable them to acquire and use the printers in the first place, seems to me like a circular argument.

Where in this chain becomes anyone independent from anyone else?

The way I see it, 3D printing technology is perhaps not better than previous methods for production, but different. For example, if you want to print a metal strand of very hard material and at the same time have the printer use a laser to melt and shape the metal used with pinpoint accuracy, you need a damn good computer program (from where? Open source? What about patents?), you need a hell of a lot of electricity because the process requires a lot more energy than simple computing power, and you still need the raw material in pulverised form for the laser and printer to work.

If you were working in a group of specialised people, trained in both theory and practice, in your local area, and they had expertise in physics, chemistry, engineering, architecture, ecology, philosophy, psychology, education, spirituality etc. (i.e. a whole village), then one 3D printer would probably be a good thing for all of them. What if you tried to work with people who would only be users of this technology?

The programmer alone is just as much an "idiot" as the architect, the philosopher as helpless as a child, if he doesn't belong to a group that brings different knowledge in its diversity.

I conclude from this that we, as modern people, in highly industrialized and computerized societies, are ever more dependent on all other people, whom we don't know, never met, never will meet....

This seems to be a particularly difficult mental challenge, as we simply have to rely on the many specialists without ever establishing a personal relationship or bond with them....

Here the question begins to take on a philosophical, metaphysical, spiritual character.


This was only one aspect of your answer. There may be more, I will refer to, if I find some time and muse.



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"...people...are...dependent on...other people..."

Society is people. People have always been dependent on society. This is why overlords have been able to parasitize collective production, because society has always been mutually dependent, even before the advent of agriculture.

Society has been egalitarian for the majority of time that humanity has existed. Collective industry has only been practiced for a few millenia. Until collective industry arose, overlords had no ability to parasitize it, because it didn't exist. Egalitarian society isn't novel, or potentially unworkable, because it has been how humanity existed for the majority of the time it has existed.

Something that makes it possible for non-specialists to use specialized devices is automation. Open source, as you point out, enables such software to be used without royalties, and machines manage themselves while still being able to be tweaked by users. I have a 1980 VW pickup with mechanical fuel injection. Electronic fuel injection is able to be tweaked with software, which is much easier than altering the function by adjusting the mechanism.

Regarding circular dependence of specialists, this isn't new, and has been a feature of centralized society since it arose. I have never intended, advocated, nor claimed that human beings can be lone wolves, but rather that society does not need overlords, and in fact suffers from their parasitic losses and self-aggrandizing control. Free people can work together to produce mutual felicity, and for most of the time humanity has existed that has been how society has functioned.

Regarding the lack of personal association with people we depend on, that is the present condition. Dunbar's Number is the amount of people we can have personal relationships with, and is likely the result of Stone Age people being limited in the size of local population by local resources.

Having the means to produce goods and services ourselves does not make us islands incapable of associating with one another, and does not preclude specialization and trade between each other, nor obviates larger cooperative undertakings. If a village 3D printer is possible, then a village full of 3D printers is equally possible because the specialists capable of understanding one 3D printer is capable of understanding each of 3D printers. However, since 3D printers are essentially automating positioning the printhead, it's not particularly different to use myriad materials with 3D printers. What's different is the printheads and environment in which the different materials are usable. There is essentially no difference from room temperature in that environment for many materials, like concrete, PLA, and frosting, while steel, glass, and nylon require higher temperatures, and ice, CO2, and etc., require low temperatures.

Using 3D printers, once the technology matures enough so that they are mostly automated, won't be much different than using indoor plumbing.

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I can't see where in your scenario people can exist in greater freedom, since you say that 3D printing technology promotes such. The dependency on centralised supply systems such as energy generation, water supply and mass food production would, in my view, remain even with 3D technology, except perhaps for communities living outside the big cities. For autonomous communities that are off the central grids (which I believe is the prerequisite for more free-spirited living), not only would the autonomous supply of food, energy and water be necessary, but also the integration of children and elderly parents into these communities so that those who, for example, cannot yet or no longer work, remain in their midst. Such communities living and working together in larger numbers requires the ownership of land. This land must be of a certain size to provide the necessary conditions for energy needs and food.

The central systems such as social security, taxation, etc. do not allow exit, and because they do not allow exit, people cannot decide to split into self-sustaining smaller units because their energy tied up in the central systems means they have no capacity to organise themselves locally. They simply lack the time and money as well as the know-how to create a version of freedom. I think the most striking point, moreover, is that they do not even recognise or know how to live in greater freedom and accept that the large systems should and may both provide for them and dictate the rules of coexistence.

I am therefore not sure that we are both talking about the same premises, on the other hand I also think that the intervention of the powers deep into the life of the individual is neither right nor good. How, apart from total reliance on the rulers, with whose decisions a large part of every nation seems to agree, does the consent of the masses to further centralising intentions explain itself?

The communities forming or living outside the central networks would have to be released from their grip, I cannot imagine it any other way.
Hence my scepticism that technology alone makes such a thing difficult to imagine. Psychological and pedagogical considerations are also necessary.

In a country as small as Germany, with limited possibilities to appropriate pieces of land large enough for the many in a community to work together, I see bureaucracy and legal possibilities as the biggest problem.

How do you relate to that?

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"I can't see where in your scenario people can exist in greater freedom, since you say that 3D printing technology promotes such. The dependency on centralised supply systems such as energy generation, water supply and mass food production would, in my view, remain even with 3D technology..."

3D printing enables the production of goods. It does not provide, and instead requires, services like electricity and the materials used to make the goods. I have mentioned other decentralized means of production, such as solar panels, wood gas, and etc., that are ways people can make electricity and other power, themselves. Aquaponics, which I have seen used locally in an apartment which produced far more food, at least more tilapia, than the users required, makes centralized food factories unnecessary. Where people congregate in cities, water is, like the civic space itself, a resource that requires sharing by the people there, but it is something that rural people have long provided themselves with wells.

Certainly many personal means of production are far more difficult to undertake in urban settings rather than rural, as has always differentiated these settings. I presently live where I am restricted from having chickens or rabbits, and as I'd have both I am seeking different circumstances. However I live in a region where I am surrounded by farms, and currently get my eggs from a local farmer, so it's something I can trade to get and don't necessarily have to produce myself, and am not limited to factory farms for sourcing. I actually have provided chickens to someone who could have them in exchange for eggs in the past, as well.

There are more decentralized means of production than I know about, I am sure. I've seen people make iron tools from dirt, so not all means of production relevant in our present circumstances are even modern. While I note the breadth and depth of the applications 3D printing provides, that alone is not the decentralization evolution ongoing. In every field of industry today decentralization is the cutting edge of technological advance. There isn't any industry I am aware of where productivity can be increased by increasing centralization - except perhaps slavery.

Centralization is obsolete not because we have already adopted decentralized means of production, but because we will. As technology advances, productivity increases, and producers that adopt the most advanced technology outcompete producers that do not. During the last few thousand years, advances in productivity were gained by increasing centralization of production, making larger trains, factories, and etc. That just isn't happening anymore. It takes time to replace infrastructure. Trains are a good example. Many of the locomotives currently in use were built from the 1950s to the 1990s. Trains last a long time. They're extremely expensive and are therefore maintained and used as long as possible.

But trains aren't the cutting edge of transportation technology today. Drones are. They're more efficient and incredibly less expensive, delivering packages right to your door and requiring no tracks, rights of way, unions, or brakemen. Back when trains were the most efficient means of transporting goods, centralization of transportation by making larger cars to hold goods, stringing more of them together, and etc., made it even possible to ship goods that required refrigeration, for example, and greatly reduced the cost of shipping, outcompeting horse drawn wagons, and train tracks were built feverishly across the world in the 19th Century. However, some people still use horse drawn wagons today, and it took decades before transportation by rail mostly replaced wagons.

For long distance shipping of bulk goods, swarms of drones are still not competitive with trains, but drones are novel tech, and that is very likely to change IMHO. For local deliveries of small items, like pizzas, drones are vastly less expensive than pizza delivery boys, and trains have never been an option.

Decentralization isn't just happening in manufacturing through 3D printers, but in every industry there is.

It is of note that the centralization of transportation required immense capital and created the Robber Barons that had great control over who could succeed in business by their control of transport. Tales of corruption and financial skulduggery are myriad and horrific. Back in the 1980s I had a car I used to deliver pizzas, and made great money (even with a crappy car). The potential to control people was zilch, and little was possible in the way of financial crime or corruption. Today I could start a drone pizza delivery service with lunch money (except for crappy government preventing it), but couldn't control much at all because it is so inexpensive to get a couple drones. In fact, because drones are so inexpensive it's unlikely that any delivery company will be able to succeed for long in that field, because it's cheaper to have our own drones that pick stuff up for us than to pay to have it delivered - and this neglects that it's less expensive yet to just make stuff ourselves in many cases. Amazon is making $B's by taking advantage of this transition in transportation, and it is notable Amazon has no trains.

This is how decentralization makes us more free, and it does so in every industry, from food to medicine, energy production to transportation. It doesn't turn us into isolated islands, but enables people to work directly with each other, without requiring representatives that can be corrupted, or overlords with immense capital that can decide who can do business and who can't. It doesn't eliminate trade, industry, or society. It increases our productivity.

It eliminates overlords and parasitization, which is an almost incomprehensible cost of doing business today. If I need electrical outlet boxes, which I may for a job I am looking at, it isn't necessary today to buy them from a hardware store at a markup that covers all the parasitic losses incurred in producing them at a big factory, shipping them to the local hardware store, and making the hardware store owner their profit, but that means of securing that product now has to compete with me, or the owner for whom I do the work, printing them with a 3D printer. Since I am in a rural area, the boxes may be fairly expensive, and may be much less expensive to print instead, saving the end user money, perhaps time, and potentially even enabling customizing the boxes to their specific need in ways that aren't even possible with cookie cutter products produced in factories.

Recently I saw a news story about a gun buyback in Houston, TX, where the local government was buying guns to get them out of the hands of civilians. An enterprising guy with a 3D printer printed off 62 handguns and sold them for ~$3k to Houston. They cost him less than $200 to produce, and he made a handsome profit. No where more than means of security is decentralization of import, and this only hints at why. Firearms are mechanisms that deliver metal slugs propelled by chemical explosions on target. That technology is ~1000 years old, but remains useful to overlords because it's the optimum means to enable gangs of thugs to compel people to obey overlords. It's not the optimum means to prevent armed gangs of thugs from kicking down your door.

Modern security technology has far advanced from chemically propelled metal slugs, and myriad mechanisms that can prevent armed gangs of thugs from kicking down your door are potential today. But overlords own governments, own the stores where people buy security mechanisms, own the indoctrination and propaganda means that create what people understand, and in every way they can they prevent their subjects from acquiring modern security technology that can prevent them from forcing people to do what they want.

But we don't have to buy security mechanisms today, because we can manufacture them ourselves. This is why I mentioned the Houthis using inexpensive drones to blow up $B's refineries in the Yemen war. That's an example of using modern security technology against centralization, and it's why no war against insurgents has succeeded since WWII. The insurgents always win, because massive armies cannot compete with decentralization. Again, the people aren't lone individuals cut off from society, but society itself is eliminating parasitic overlords because of decentralization of the means of production.

That is increasing their freedom, prosperity, and felicity, and that suite of benefits is only just beginning to occur. There is unimaginable benefit coming as decentralization continues to develop and spread to people everywhere.

"...communities living and working together in larger numbers requires the ownership of land. This land must be of a certain size to provide the necessary conditions for energy needs and food."

Aquaponics makes it possible to grow the food you need in your apartment, as I have mentioned. It does take some room, but not very much, and most of the mechanism can be incorporated into living space, similar to growing houseplants on a windowsill. The water can be almost infinitely recycled. The fish or crawdads need some food, and the lights take some energy - if you're not using sunshine alone. Solar panels take roofs, gravity generators require access to the ground to drill a hole into which the weight is dropped and reeled back up, windmills and waterwheels require access to those resources, and producer gas requires a place to grow flammable stuff, or a source of it, but we aren't required to live in smart cities where we can be surveilled 24/7 by overlords and don't have access to the required space and resources. Not every place is suitable for every technology, but we can also trade with one another, as I do for eggs, and may for electrical outlet boxes.

To maximize our freedom, prosperity, and felicity, is it best we do not live in bugpods that our overlords want us to BECAUSE that makes us less able to produce what we need ourselves and maximizes our dependence.

"They simply lack the time and money as well as the know-how to create a version of freedom. I think the most striking point, moreover, is that they do not even recognise or know how to live in greater freedom and accept that the large systems should and may both provide for them and dictate the rules of coexistence."

From time to time cataclysms and catastrophes happen on Earth. During the Toba eruption about 75kya, almost all humanity is thought to have died, leaving only a few thousand survivors on the whole planet, for example. Not everyone will make it through the ongoing catastrophe of global destruction of civil society being undertaken by overlords desperate to maintain their parasitic wealth and power over humanity.

But I think most of us will, and after we do, that paradise prophesied for millenia will be built by those that do, and as we can see from Relativity Space 3D printing spaceships today, we will gain abilities as the cutting edge of new technological capabilities become developed and dispersed - as they always do - that are going to create unimaginable freedom, prosperity, and felicity for our posterity.

Evolution happens. It's happening to us right now, and evolution works by those incapable of surviving to breed dying, and the survivors being the gene pool that subsequent generations come from. We will live and die by our merits, and folks that do not prepare for the coming catastrophe and war that vile overlords are going to prosecute in their attempt to completely and permanently enslave humanity are not going to be prepared.

This is why I advocate that people adopt the decentralized means of production of the blessings of civilization suitable to their personal circumstances now. Germany is particularly suffering from the machinations of overlords today, as the duplicitous AGW alarmists have almost completely destroyed Germany's electrical generation capacity subjecting their hapless people to insuperable power costs, and destroying industry and the German economy. This is not a natural catastrophe. It's completely engineered by overlords as a means of forcing people to own nothing and be happy that overlords allow them to survive. It's unavoidably obvious that a community of folks with their own ability to produce electricity in Germany today is immune to that catastrophe and will not be enslaved by that means.

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Decentralization isn't just freedom, prosperity, and felicity. It's literally the difference between life and death. 1000% increase in power costs is going to kill people this winter in Germany. I hope you take action to make sure you have power and aren't enslaved by this brutal economic attack that is only possible because the AGW deception has been prosecuted by your enemies for decades.

"...central systems such as social security, taxation, etc. do not allow exit..."

This is not true. I am 100% disabled and qualify for social security income as I have for decades, but I do not receive it because I do not want it. Taxation can be avoided, as megacorporations that pay little or no tax prove. Decentralization is a way of avoiding taxation, because when you consume what you produce you create no taxable event. If you earn Euros working a job you pay taxes on those wages. If you spend Euros to buy beets, you likely pay taxes on that transaction. If you grow those beets and eat them, you do not incur any tax liability thereby. If instead of having a job that you pays wages you are taxed on, you simply make everything you need yourself and consume it, you pay no taxes at all.

"...I see bureaucracy and legal possibilities as the biggest problem."

You are absolutely right. This is why I am an anarchist. Overlords own the German government, because they corrupt it with their parasitized wealth. Government is force, and force enslaves people. Germany is not a free and independent nation of sovereign people, because government makes freedom illegal.

Government is not society. Society is not civilization. Being free is the most expensive thing there is for a reason, and that reason is that being enslaved is the alternative. The economic and political disruption that has been ongoing for these last couple years is just the beginning of the war to enslave humanity, including you personally, that overlords have undertaken. There is no alternative to preparing to withstand whatever attacks the WEF and it's minions are going to prosecute, such as the forced house arrest, social isolation, and mandatory pass to legally travel, that are now exacerbated with impossible energy costs and easily foreseeable economic attacks coming.

In every case, being able to provide yourself what you need prevents overlords from enslaving you. Decentralization is the only way you personally are going to avoid being forced into a bugpod and CBDC UBI, which will completely force you to do whatever you are told to do by your benefactors that provide every necessity, or die.

Be free. Free people have always had to make their freedom, at great expense. It has always been worth the cost, because slavery is worse than death IMHO. If I can be of any assistance in your quest and action to be free, please don't hesitate to ask of me what you will. If I can help I will. Most importantly, I recommend you find friends you can rely on where you are, or can go, that you can increase in strength and increase yours.

https://freedomcells.org/join/

Truly terrible things are coming, and it is necessary to prepare to survive and thrive through such times.

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Hello,

I have read everything you commented here and had it translated to better understand. Thank you.

Though I will not refer to everything.

Where I grew up and people have houses and properties that are paid off, some are switching to heating systems via solar panels on the roofs to generate heat. The deliveries of such technologies take months compared to before and the installation is difficult, but not impossible. Some owners have pumps to obtain groundwater. Two very important resources, then, besides food.

None of those I know have a 3D printer. Those who would want to print spare parts for defective materials would have to do so according to the requirements of the parts to be replaced, and for that, one would need a special computer programme. But I won't belabour the point that I think it's a bit more complicated than you said. But remain more open to the idea than before our conversation.

It takes people in the world who don't see disaster in plain sight and know what to expect. The thing is, if everyone predicted exactly what you predicted, we would already have such high levels of panic purchases and bank runs that supply shortages and other severe bottlenecks would be guaranteed. Those who prepare now and prepare for hard times benefit from the lack of knowledge or ignorance of those who do not. Some balance in the existence of all life can only ever be achieved by not all doing the same thing at the same time.

I will be unprepared in material terms, so times of hunger or frost set in. This is not exclusively my own decision. I can only act if those closest to me thought it as necessary as I would. The place of refuge would then indeed be my hometown with my blood relatives, which, however, if no petrol is available, is no longer 2 hours away by car, but several days' journey on foot.
It may seem strange to you that one lets what is coming come with one's eyes wide open. I also don't think that, when the time comes, I will be equipped with the same composure as I am talking to you now. I may nevertheless be better prepared mentally and spiritually than those who suspect nothing.

Thank you very much for your offer of help. If you did not live on another continent, I would very much like to visit you.

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I take what you say very seriously. You do not lightly consider, and while not all your reasons may be reasons I myself share, they seem to me well chosen for you, well considered per your experiences, and I respect them.

I am sure some folks around there are quite prepared for power outages, food shortages, and crises of every kind, because I speak to people from Germany, and all around the world, on other forums, where even people from UA and RU can speak directly. It can be very enlightening to see people presently at war agreeing on various matters. Sometimes it feels like the apocryphal tale of WWI enemies having cease fire on Christmas and singing carols together. Other times it seems like that would have been impossible, and people could never be less than murderously hostile in such circumstances.

I hope that if matters become very difficult for you it is in the good company of your family, and you benefit from community and strong bonds of affection.

"Those who prepare now and prepare for hard times benefit from the lack of knowledge or ignorance of those who do not."

Maybe, by staving off panic buying, as you said. But those that are prepared will benefit from each the others' preparations, in having certainly prepared differently and having things to trade, or different skills to help each other with. That's the real magic of community in difficult times, having help and other eyeballs watching your back.

I would very much enjoy meeting you. Perhaps someday we will.

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I feel the same respect towards you.

Yes, you are talking about a very peculiar situation. Probably the most bizarre thing of all, that the weapons are silenced for a fixed period of time. It's so strange because actually, when you're in a fight to the death, you would think that a pause would promote the moment of awareness where you say to yourself "let's not do this". I've seen something similar in Asian martial arts films. Fighters ready to die, ready to take their enemy's life. And yet no lust for killing. The question this raises, if there is no real thirst for murder, why kill each other at all?
The only reason for continuing then seems to be that the fighters do not consider their lives to be the most important thing and death seems far less terrible to them than it is commonly feared. So, as you noted earlier, death is not the worst of evils. Those who let themselves be overcome by murderousness will, if they survive, have a hard time with it.

I am a woman, I can give life and I have given birth to it. Thus I would wish that men could face their enemies eye to eye, than that we should all suffer the banality of evil from the bondage of having before us not warriors, but righteous men.

Right, in difficult times, it is the pooling of different skills and looking out for each other. I come from a family of expellees and grew up with such stories of hard times. I had wondered at times if I would experience the same as my parents and grandparents, but I preferred not to live with that fear.

Thank you for this conversation. It gives me both, hope in that magic and also sorrows.

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