Relative Speed
Alright so I saw three different comments on Twitter yesterday about the Earth being flat. Pretty sure two of them were serious and one of them was not. Yes, my 'for you' page is that lit. Jealous much?
Yeah one of them was a joke asking if people beyond the Game-of-Thrones ice-wall at the edge of our world had to pay taxes. I guess the above picture doesn't represent this idea. Let me find a better one.
Was one ice-wall not enough?
Allow me to offer you two ice walls!
Yeah that's my shit right there.
Labeled maps and everything.
Because that makes sense.
Seriously though I hope that the Earth is flat and that there is an ice wall and that all this shit is true. That would be amazing, don't you think? Of course it would: it would basically confirm that God exists (I'm largely atheist; so score), we have an immortal soul (or perhaps our immortal soul has us), and that we really are living through the end-of-times during the apocalypse and are going to get tested like in The Stand (1994) mini series.
After a deadly plague kills most of the world's population, the remaining survivors split into two groups - one led by a benevolent elder and the other by a malevolent being - to face each other in a final battle between good and evil.
A DEADLY PLAGUE YOU SAY?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Yep, bring it on.
Let's do this.
I was born for this.
In any event
The reason this flat Earth shit is going around right now is that people recently saw a "Chinese spy balloon" in the sky and thought, "Hey you know that kinda looks like the moon." 10/10 logic right there. Also the thing attached to the balloon basically looked like a space-satellite because of the solar panels on it, which exacerbated this idea that all satellites in the world are just floating around on balloons (even though we can see them at night speeding through the air at ridiculous speeds looking like a star because they are so far away).
You know how an airplane looks like it's moving slowly because it's far away? Yes well we all know they are traveling 500 MPH or more, yeah? No one contests this fact, not even the wildest of conspiracy theories. So when we see a satellite in legit orbit moving even faster than that on a relative scale... it's not too unbelievable to hear that it's travelling at something like 7000 MPH. A little birdy told me that balloons don't travel at 7000 MPH... or even 100 MPH for that matter. The "spy balloon" traveled at "25 knots" which is apparently 29 MPH.
Switching gears.
@whatsup jokingly asked if our flat-Earth spins, to which I replied of course not because the centrifugal force would fling us off it like a merry-go-round.
Also I just have to say that the spelling of centrifugal is really throwing me off... pun unintended but welcomed. I've always pronounced it "cen-tri-fi-cal" but the spelling is basically centrifuge (which actually makes sense considering what a centrifuge is). Words are weird. Maybe it's my Californian accent. Nope wait looks like the Brits actually say this one correctly and we're the ones who say it wrong. That's a first. Damn Americans getting lazy with words.
How many more times will the topic at hand be derailed?
Okay so the idea here is that because we're told that the Earth spins at 1000 MPH, people don't believe this. 1000 MPH big number. Can't be true. Just like merry-go-round we'd just fly off the Earth and be instantly killed, yeah? A merry-go-round is much slower than 1000 MPH. It all makes sense... or does it?
Much how we were sold by the media this idea that COVID-19 was a brutal pandemic that rampaged the entire world... at the core of these arguments is this concept of raw data being isolated without mentioning the critical relative percentages. The media wanted people to think it was a bigger deal than it was, so they said things like HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DEAD MILLIONS DEAD BODIES PILED EVERYWHERE OMG RUN FOR YOUR LIFE GET THE VAX YOU GRANDMA KILLING MONSTER.
People who realize the truth know that the establishment could have just as easily went the other way with it: they could have said don't worry about it go back to work everything is fine less than 0.1% of people are dying and it's mostly old people that were going to die of something else anyway. In fact this is what we should have expected from a capitalistic system that views people as collateral. It's actually weird that it turned out the way it did, and we should be asking why the media chose to act like they give a shit about people dying. They don't. This is a known fact. Uncontested and proven a thousand times over... unless they can make money off it of course. Capitalism.
Derailed again
Okay so the point of that COVID nonsense was the absolute numbers. People hear 1000 MPH and they flip out. The Earth can't be traveling that fast! Number too big! 8M people dead is a metric shit ton pile of bodies, while 0.1% world population dead is barely anything! They are exactly the same number, peasants. Wake up.
So what if I told you that instead of the Earth traveling at 1000 MPH I instead told you that the Earth makes 1 revolution every 24 hours. Small number is small. This is much slower than a merry-go-round. Now it makes more sense. Unit bias is a helluva drug.
Look at the screenshot above about how to increase centrifugal force. Notice anything? If you decrease the radius of the object the force gets stronger. Meaning if you increase the radius it gets weaker. Gee, what's the radius of Earth? Pretty big I'm thinking. It's more about how fast it makes 1 revolution (24 hours) than it is about relative speed on the surface. If we lived on a planet that was twice the radius but still rotated once every 24 hours, the centrifugal force generated would be exactly the same but the relative speed on the surface would double. The absolute speed is completely irrelevant.
Speed? Relative to what?
On a very real level the Earth isn't moving at all. Yeah, you heard me right. If you believe that the Earth is the center of the universe then it's the universe that is constantly revolving around the Earth while the Earth stands still. It's all a matter of perspective. There is no relative difference between the Earth spinning and the universe revolving around the Earth (as far as we know). This would change if we found something outside the universe that could once again be used as a reference.
What is the anchor?
Imagine you are driving 70 MPH and the person next to you is driving 80 MPH. Where do these numbers come from? They come from the Earth. Respectively one person is driving 70 and one is driving 80 relative to Earth itself. Earth is the anchor.
But what if the Earth wasn't there? What if it was just you and the other car? What then? Your brain can actually interpret this scenario in two unique and valid ways:
- You are not moving at all and the other car is moving 10 MPH.
- The other car is not moving at all and you are moving backwards 10 MPH.
There's also an entire spectrum in between.
Could be that you're moving backwards 5 MPH and he's moving forward 5 MPH. Could be 9-1, 8-2, 7-3, or 6-4. The only known fact is that both numbers add up to 10. Without a frame of reference it's impossible to determine what is actually happening.
The human brain will default to interpreting the situation with themselves as the anchor. Without a proper frame of reference the human brain will assume they are the ones travelling 0 MPH and the other car is travelling 10 MPH. However I'm fairly certain that almost everyone reading this post has had one of those moments in the car when an illusion occurred and you misinterpreted the situation.
Sometimes the car next to us will move forward but it feels like we are moving backwards, or sometimes we are moving forward and it feels like the other car is moving backwards. This can happen when we lose our frame of reference and are only noticing the other car in relation to our own.
The Earth itself doesn't have a frame of reference.
The Earth might be spinning at 1000 MPH, but relative to what? Because Earth is the default reference, it is always moving 0 relative to itself. This is true for all objects in the universe.
Many would argue that the stars are the reference, but they are not. The gravitational pull of the stars and other celestial objects rounds to zero and has no effect on Earth... all except one.
That's right! It's moon time!
Everyone in crypto loves the moon. The moon is the one gravitational pull that matters when the Earth is concerned, and I'm fairly certain I've heard claims that life as we know it would not exist without the moon. Our entire evolutionary timeline has relied on this stable source of shifting gravity. Tides come in, tides go out. Earth not flat. Very sad. Wen apocalypse?
I'll always remember going to the Exploratorium as a kid and experiencing this experiment. You sit on a swiveling chair while holding a spinning bike tire. If you change the angle of the bike tire it creates acceleration and speed. Mind blowing. Physics is wild.
The point here is that this kind of spinning force works because Earth's gravity acts as a frame of reference. When the tire is parallel to gravity, nothing happens, but when you twist it perpendicular to gravity you'll end up spinning. Because Earth's gravity trumps all other gravitational fields around it, the 1000 MPH spinning becomes very irrelevant metric even though it sounds a lot to our unit-bias.
Acceleration is the real variable.
This should become obvious. When you maintain a constant speed of 70 MPH on the freeway it feels like you aren't moving at all. Movement is only physically felt if the car is speeding up quickly, slowing down quickly, or turning quickly. Where "quickly" is self-defined by if you can feel it or not.
Objects in motion tend to stay in motion.
Just to reiterate the previous statements: a constant speed becomes the norm. An object moving "quickly" is effectively the same as it not moving at all when the object references itself. A weird concept to be sure, but accurate.
I also wanted to speak to this concept in terms of money
But this post is running long again so I'll hurry it up.
Money also needs a frame of reference to make sense, just like speed. If I offer you 10k Hive in exchange for one Bitcoin, how do you know if that's a good deal or not? The answer is you don't and you need a frame of reference.
USD is that frame of reference.
We call this unit of account, and it's a very important quality of currency. In fact it is the most important quality that crypto lacks (even more important than privacy). Only a relatively stable asset can be used to measure other assets.
So you calculate that 10k Hive is $4500 and 1 BTC is $23000 and realize the trade I've offered you is god awful. Denied. It's much harder to come to this conclusion without the reference.
Final thought
I almost never tell people to buy Hive, but the 200 day moving average is such an obvious wall to defend. If we can hold here all the golden crosses will come and more speculators will come in and pump it higher. Maintaining this level should be fairly inexpensive. I'm buying. Goddess moon commands it. Help me out.
Conclusion
The Earth isn't flat, although I wish it was. Many people wrongfully assume that anyone who believes the Earth is flat must be a moron. How could anyone believe in such an absurd "theory"? Yet, every single person I've ever met that believes in a flat Earth has been highly intelligent. That is a fact.
This is a classic case of conflating intelligence issues with trust issues. We see this often in over emotional left vs right politics, with both sides making claims like, "Anyone who believes in XYZ must be a fucking moron!" Again, people aren't dumb: they simply continue to trust the entities that they've been conditioned to trust since childhood. This is the standard, not an outlier.
Given such context, it's clear to see that anyone who believes in hardcore conspiracy theory refuses to trust the establishment on more layers than an onion. I don't know about you, but these are the kind of people I want on my team. Hands down.
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There are probably million of people believing that the earth is flat. They are called Flatearthers 😂
I am not a flat-earther, but i am dead set against the ball-earther theories.
Too many holes in the ball-earth theory to believe it anymore.
So, am i a atheist-earther? a null-earther? a not-ball-earther?
Maybe a toroid-earther... that is probably closest
What say you?
Wow you evolved
Holes? The Earth is an irregularly shaped ellipsoid. I just believe that this is matter closed by sciences centuries ago. The Math and Physics add up to that. Of course every theory even belief can be false if someone can prove it.
Yes, holes.
"matter closed by sciences" is a very UNscientific thing to say.
Thousands of supporting evidences... one disproof, still gone.
It is a story that you believe.
The story of "those old and stupid people used to believe the earth was flat"
"We are smarter than that"
That story is very unscientific.
Let us take one hole:
If the sun is 93 millions miles away, when the moon passes in between, why is their such a huge area of partial shadow?
https://ecency.com/hive-167922/@edicted/relative-speed#@arysi/re-edicted-202326t1570982z
Earth is a realm and flat.
This model also explains pole shift and climate change and moon phases.
There are a lot of things it doesn't explain.
Like, what about the people living on the other side of the earth... hollow earth stories exist in so many ancient stories.
Also, what is the firmament? What is the shape of that?
A strictly flat map does not allow you to sail your ship to any point. You still need to use great arcs.
So, there is something more.
There is so much more to know about our planet.
Yes. It’s a good start. If we use the compass we will end up lost and circle back to the same place.
Celestial navigation is required to reach the true north, which looks like half an earth (as we know it) worth of ocean to cover.
Underground is possible. DUMBS.
Many People believe Earth is flat may we send them to space to see for them self
Musk and Bezos are working on it.
lol i forgot i wrote this gem
Have you been to space and witness the curvature with your own eyes? I haven’t.
I will accept the possibility that Earth is flat until I see it for myself 😼
We might really see it I believe space travel for all be possible soon
Once a flat earther asked me during our conversation in which he didn't contribute any evidence or sound arguments for his horrendously comical belief, "How can you say that the Earth is a ball when we can see both moon and the sun at the same time?", while pointing in the sky where there were the sun and the moon at the time. While he was busy blinding himself by looking directly at the sun, I just walked away.
Right but this is exactly the kind of toxic attitude I was talking about in the OP.
That's not a good strategy.
This same type of dismissive blind trust was employed to inject the majority of the world with experimental drugs just recently: All the while everyone chanting "trust the science". The actual scientific method tells us the opposite: that we should never trust the science and that we should always be trying to prove the current paradigm to be incorrect. A blatant lack of respect for people trying to do exactly that isn't the healthy response, and is more of a signal that our own brainwashing from childhood will immediately reject such theories no matter how much evidence there is to back them up.
I have no problem with people questioning everything. Heck, I do that all the time. But if someone tells me that something isn't true, and provides zero evidence or zero arguments to work with. What is the point of talking? Yes, science has to always be questioned, you shouldn't trust science the same way you don't need to trust the code. You need to understand it, see if there are any flaws, and work on fixing them. Saying, this doesn't make sense, and something else is the correct way, without any sound reason whatsoever is plain idiocy.
I do tend to avoid conspiracy theories that seem to have a strong religious element attached them. Also I avoid conspiracies that target the left or the right. If a conspiracy is true it shouldn't matter what your political views are or religious affiliation, and it should be just as easy to convince anyone of the truth equally. That's my theory anyway.
Since we were talking science I wouldn't completely agree with this because most of the time the truth is ever so slightly different that what we currently think. So when scientists are trying to prove those things it takes a lot of work and a lot of convincing evidence.
But when you are claiming that something so very different is true, it shouldn't be hard to present it (at least surface level stuff) because the original idea would have countless big holes in its model that you could point to. Which you are unable to do when challenging the heliocentric model with flat earth.
And I agree. I should add a bit of context next time I comment. But I tried to talk with the said person for at least 20 minutes. No progress was made, even though I tried giving countless examples where their logic fails and the way they can verify that. Was called dumb for it numerous times throughout the conversation.
Yeah that's very frustrating.
Infuriating even.
I get it.
I read somewhere a while back that there are fundamentalist Saudi clerics who believe that the planes are powered by djinn, pre-Islamic demons.
Haha nice you sure showed me what for!
When the vast majority of scientific skepticism comes from a religious standpoint we should certainly take pause to reflect on that.
Dirty Djinn
Never trust the evil version of Robin Williams!
You're in trouble now!
Lool I’ve often wondered about this too
I just tried the new "listen to post" feature and it made your post 10x better (not that it was not good) I loled a lot 😅
So funny I saw that for the first time looking at my own post.
I didn't click it...
lol I guess now I have to.
Funny I was reading the same yesterday.
https://twitter.com/FlatEarthZone/status/1622284794393497602
Earth is more likely to be flat than not. Knowing what has happened in the past three years, take nothing for granted.
You almost lost me in numbers... A hell of a post for sure. So, HIVE is holding $0.45 so far, the earth is not flat, as I thought it would be and we're out of the woods with the crypto market. Wen moon? My take is something around mid 2025... We still early, we still have time and what we see across the board is just test pumps.
Oh, by the way, a couple of months ago I saw a tweet about some A.I. shitcoins that were deemed to pump, AGIX being one of them. it was 5 cents back then, checked it for a few days in a row and didn't buy, not it's 42 cents...
I should start giving financial advices to people. How's crypto on your side? Did you get in touch with acidyo and ask about that game?
Nah I forgot all about that game question it wasn't that important.
what game
KEK!
Oh I was just talking to someone on Twitter about how I liked the Splinter Cell games; going stealth and treating it like a puzzle instead of Rambo-ing my way through them. The person I was talking to agreed... and then a couple weeks later I was re-playing Watch Dogs 2 and forgot how similar the gameplay was to the Splinter Cell genre.
I sent a DM to @acesontop thinking it was him that I had the conversation with... but it wasn't. He doesn't play games, and he was basically like "You know who likes games: @acidyo." And then I proceeded to forget about the entire ordeal until just now.
Pretty sure the original person I spoke to was @anthonyadavisii... I think...
At least you figured it all by yourself...
Crisis averted BB
Yeah it was me. I remember that NVG sound like it was yesterday on the XBOX. Also, the console some kids called me TwistedAsshole on voice when my sn was TwistedAxle (Alex shuffled) while playing Halo 2. Good times! 🤣
Ha yeah that sound is iconic.
And also I think there's one too many woke themes in Watch Dogs 2 for you to take seriously.
It's 2016 woke though not 2022 woke.
Big difference lol.
An alternative model explanation at 4:04
https://rumble.com/vm0mf7-the-lost-history-of-earth-full-5-hour-documentary-by-ewaranon-mirrored.html
What do you think? It is a probable model.
Flat Earthers crack me the fuck up.
Like, c'mon. Look around you at the world right now. Do flat earthers seriously think that a government that knew about the edge of the fucking world would not turn that into a tourist trap?
"Book your hotel at Edge of the Earth today! Includes an infinity pool overlooking the vast nothingness of space, and a swing so you can dangle right over the edge of the world! Rooms starting at 500$ USD per night!"
We'd 100% have capitalized on the edge of the earth by now if it was real, zero percent chance that we wouldn't.
That is a hilariously well made point.
I always love an analysis that can 'disprove' a conspiracy theory with the basic tenants of capitalism.
That's basically how I've 'disproved' the 'deep state' half a dozen times now.
Power is more fluid than that.
Nice one.
Simply paying attention to basic human nature and habits disproves so much shit.
Not that all conspiracies are hogwash - lotta hoops to jump through for a man to conveniently hang himself in a particularly well-guarded cell for example - but a LOT are total nonsense.
But then, I'd argue that THAT is by design. Drown out the one or two real bits of conspiracy with a mountain of bullshit about how the moon is fake and the earth isn't round.
It's what I'd do if I ran an intelligence agency.
Yeah it was already basically proven several times over that Qanon was basically just a psyop distraction that culminated in the whole Jan 6th debacle. Media milks the shit out of that one every chance they get.
Might as well eh. To the MSM and the folks who only get news through there it's... as the meme goes:
This is the most important map for flat Earth.
The green is where we are today. The red dot is the “True North”. The red lines are magnetic north that constantly shift. 2160 years per astronomical cycle and 25,920 years for one full cycle.
Ice walls are constantly melting and forming clockwise as the magnetic poles shift (with sun and moon which are mere reflections for the filament), the lit area.
As the years progress as we shift into various ages, Australia region, closest to the border of the filament will freeze over first.
To get to the red dot the True North to get to the land beyond, need celestial navigation because the compass will not tell you where it is as the entirety of the boundary are “magnetic south”.
To confirm this theory, tilt angle to Polarius should be the same, but position of Sun and Moon should change overtime right?
Hi
I've haven't spent 5 minutes researching Flat Earth Theory and the only one I've personally heard try to "sell it to me" was Lasse. Every time I asked a question he called me a Globe Head, which was a nice change from being called a Statist.
I did find it interesting that "Flat Earth" folks were not targeted for Misinformation during the time the government thought that the State should be in charge of what we can say and think (during Covid)
It seems the Flat Earth Theory isn't frightening to them, which is a big push towards.. The Earth is Round.
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