RE: Everyone Chips in to Build the DEATH STAR; Everyone.
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Hm, yes, if there's anything I've learned from this interchange it's that the entire issue can be simplified down to a single sentence. I challenge you to come up with one single issue that we actually disagree on. The list is very small, and rather than focus on the main points that I make it seems like you are just reading off of flash-cards you keep in your back pocket like I'm talking to a bot.
2+2=4
The sky is blue!
2+2=4 though right?
Ah well, roses are red...
I'm absolutely convinced at this point that neither one of us has told the other something that they didn't already know.
If I tell you not to leverage moral superiority as a tactic to get other people on board with this movement, and then you say "Yes, but I am morally superior"... Tell me: who is the one that looks foolish?
We both made true statements, did we not?
But one of those true statements seems to have a certain implication, yeah? Inevitably some percentage of people are going to interpret the way you presented the information as a self-aggrandizing dismissal of the thing I literally just told you, without even directly addressing what I said. You seem to be very good at this, and I find it to be extremely manipulative and alarming.
No, I will keep claiming to be morally superior even though I know it hurts the movement. I enjoy being morally superior and none of this would be worth it if I couldn't claim dominance over others.
This is how some are going to interpret your words.
Do you think that is a wise strategy?
Obvious rhetorical question is rhetorical.
Now I won't have to wait for an answer that I'll never get.
The reality here is that my Dad just died and I am in the process of arranging his funeral. I am also working 50+ hours a week. I don't have the time to put into the replies here that you would like.
I am simply highlighting the primary issue that I see, to save time. The issue that we disagree on and that I am trying to prompt you to address. Just as you say that I am not addressing your points, you are doing the same. I'm not here to have an argument, convince anyone or win anything - I am just highlighting something important to me. It happens to be something that the majority of people are in massive denial of.
Sorry to hear that. Sounds like a pretty rough time.
If I'm being honest, which I shouldn't, my knee-jerk reaction to this was:
But obviously that's a terrible thing to say, so I will say that I just need some time to adjust to your... shall we say... aura. I feel like at one point we were on a pretty similar wavelength, but something must have changed. Chalk it up to a 'me' problem.
Condolences. Truly. I feel bad. Just another indication that I need to get my shit together.
Or perhaps making it about me is part of the problem. Oh, what a world we live in.
Well, knee-jerk reactions can be replaced by considered responses - so thanks for that and thanks for being honest about your inner state, I do my best to never judge anyone or myself.
I have had conversations about veganism online easily over 1000 times with people who have some problem with veganism. As a result I am a bit tired of going over the same points every few days with different people. I appreciate that you probably agree with me on most things, but some of what you are saying comes from the same illogical thinking that many carnivores produce. In particular, the part about 'one person can't make a difference' and then deflecting away from the obvious untruthfulness of this statement.
It feels pretty shockingly dire tbh. If anything I feel a desire to help you but your demeanor is such that you neither want help nor have seemed to be able to step outside of the reptilian brain domination mode of wanting to win and conquer in an imagined war of intellect. I also feel that even saying that I want to help will be converted into a perceived attempt to self aggrandise and demean you as inferior. It's just a simple and innocent intent to want to help another.
For the record, I know now that all beings are literally one - whether they like it or not. We are individuated but we also share a oneness. In that light, any kind of competitiveness is born of delusion.
Even for fun? Even to determine who's a better archer, or chess player? Even to determine who's more persistent, more driven?